Being Gracious Winners.

[nicki]

The writing is on the wall, we are going to get incorporation and the issue is do the cites of California want to comply or are they going to be stupid.

As tempting as it is to rub our oppnents face in the dirt, I think it would be better long term to give them a way to save face.

The LCAV has offered to defend cities, but based on the quality of work they have done for Washington DC, we could only pray that cities take them up on their offers.

The issues for cities and counties is saving face. Politicians want to appear that they are doing something about violence. It doesn't matter wheter the get results, it only matters that they care.

I propose that we gear up and come up with proposals to reduce gun violence in a Post MacDonald, Post Sykes world.

We can turn around and come up with things we need to do to "save the Children".

Nicki

[wash]

The best possible way to do things is have no mercy.

Get the various law makers to see that bad laws will be challenged swiftly and successfully.

Then after each win, tell them that you will advise them on the constitutionality of any new proposed laws so that you don't have to go through the same thing again.

Smack them hard once and then offer your hand.

[bohoki]

they have been merciless for years i only wish they would have to pay us punitive damages for the years of violating our civil rights

[yellowfin]

The thing is, Nicki, they don't want reduced crime. They like having people scared of crime as it gives them political power, mainly through their political alliance with big city police and sheriffs. A populace that's afraid yet can't defend themselves are dependent on them potentially for their very lives. Fear is a politician's favorite tool and no way will they hand that over willingly or admit their use and affinity for it. They like big police department budgets and threatening the public with cutting back on them if they don't fork over more cash. It's a simple trick they've perfected over the years: spend money in the budget on their pet projects which leaves a gap which COULD be taken out of the police budget, then lie and say the police need more money rather than the junk the public would NEVER approve of by itself. (They do the same with the education system and the teachers unions similarly cover for them.) Also, judges and attorneys make big bucks with more crime, and those usually make GREAT supporters who have deep pockets to contribute money and/or run for office themselves.

Crime pays and no way do they want that gravy train to get shut down. No way do they want to admit that and change course, so they're stuck in a corner having to ride the whole thing down in flames. It's a disgusting system they've used and it's about time for them to get their just desserts for it. I honestly don't think their pride or their personal politics--i.e. the years of bull**** they've been making themselves believe--will allow them to separate themselves from the anti gun ideology. As 7x57 points out, it has become a part of them and it would unravel their whole existence. Unlike others, however, I haven't the slightest pity for them to collapse in a froth mouthed heap, twitching and blinking as their mind implodes on itself. They've long deserved ten or twenty times that.

[Kharn]

I might not be very gracious on 28 June 2010 when I'm drinking champagne from the bottle and laughing at Gov O'Malley's lame press conference he's sure to hold. You'll have to excuse me.

[dansgold]

[Something about counting chickens goes here.]

[nrakid88]

How about we need our citizens carrying guns, that way even if a cop isn't around, the children will still be protected!

[bulgron]

I might not be very gracious on 28 June 2010 when I'm drinking champagne from the bottle and laughing at Gov O'Malley's lame press conference he's sure to hold. You'll have to excuse me.

Really. No matter what the McDonald decision says, you can be sure that the big city mayors and the anti-gun governors of the blue states will find a way to spin it as a "win" for them. Just like they "won" Heller.

[bwiese]

Nicki,

Incorporation is just a start, not a destination.

States/cities will still try to defend bogus laws even afterward.

The fight must continue unmercifully... we will likely have to burn quite a few taxpayer dollars while their representatives in legislature, city councils and Boards of Supervisors and DA offices still try to grasp at the last shards of gun control before they're slapped in the face with reality and law.

We need to rapidly accumulate a series of brutally efficient wins to stop further shenanigans.

Ammo battles will still remain, and the antis will start attacking gun ranges for specious noise & lead matters. Other antigun drives will be couched in antihunting terms.

The fight doesn't go away, it just changes and shifts gears.

[Liberty1]

After it's a "Right" the PR/out reach fun really begins.

GUNS SAVE LIVES! IT's A HUMAN RIGHT - bumper stickers buttons brochures!

[kf6tac]

If you must fight, fight with no mercy. If you must have mercy, don't fight.

[Decoligny]

The best possible way to do things is have no mercy.

Get the various law makers to see that bad laws will be challenged swiftly and successfully.

Then after each win, tell them that you will advise them on the constitutionality of any new proposed laws so that you don't have to go through the same thing again.

Smack them hard once and then offer your hand.

Mongol General: What is best in life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

[Glock22Fan]

An SAS unarmed combat instructor I once knew told me:
"First rule of Self Defense: Strike the first blow and kill him with it.
Second Rule: If you can't kill him with the first blow, cripple him with it and kill him with the second.
Third rule: There is no third rule."

Of course, it isn't politically correct to say anything but "Stop him."

from "The Prince" by Nicolai Machiavelli, paraphrased as I cannot remember exact wording:
"If you must fight, finish off the job. Do not leave your enemy in a position to retailiate."

I think these quotes say it all. Proof of the pudding? Desert Storm.

[Python2]

[Something about counting chickens goes here.]

You mean counting chicken before Momma chicken lays eggs?

[nicki]

Nicki,

Incorporation is just a start, not a destination.

States/cities will still try to defend bogus laws even afterward.

The fight must continue unmercifully... we will likely have to burn quite a few taxpayer dollars while their representatives in legislature, city councils and Boards of Supervisors and DA offices still try to grasp at the last shards of gun control before they're slapped in the face with reality and law.

We need to rapidly accumulate a series of brutally efficient wins to stop further shenanigans.

Ammo battles will still remain, and the antis will start attacking gun ranges for specious noise & lead matters. Other antigun drives will be couched in antihunting terms.

The fight doesn't go away, it just changes and shifts gears.
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Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

Bill, I agree with you that some people will need to have their heads cut off, but at the same time we need to give people the opportunity to quickly do the "right thing".

These lawsuits are going to cost taxpayer money, if we come in giving them a opportunity to correct things first and it is "Public Knowledge" that government officials had the opportunity to avoid litigation and do the right thing and they didn't, it is they who will lose in the court of public opinion.

We bounce around many ideas on these forums because my gut tells me that the SCOTUS is going to slam Chicago hard.

The SCOTUS also will want to send a message very loud and clear to the lower courts to quit playing games, so the ruling will probably be very clear.

Yes the Heller ruling was long, but it was readable and I believe certain items were put into the ruling to specifically encourage follow up lawsuits.

The Media image of us is that we are a bunch of red necked, tobacco chewing, knuckle draggers who only want to make their day.

We are going to win in the court of law, where I am going with this is that we need to also focus on winning in the court of public opinion.

Our opponents will stew like spoiled children. We need the public seeing our opponents act like Mayor Daily of Chicago while we just smile and maintain our cool.

Nicki