Prohibit licensed gun dealers from selling semiautomatic pistols without microstamps

[CSACANNONEER]

What in the world are you even talking about? Did you even bother to read all the posts? If you read my posts, I was inquiring about this new 2028 law that didn't get as much attention as the other bills Newsom signed. I wasn't sure exactly what the law entailed. So, I responded to someone who said that all semi auto pistols, that are on the FFL books needed the microstamping in 2028 to be transferred. Does that mean the dealers can just sell revolvers, if there are no semi auto handguns micro stamped?

Lol, I guess I should just answer your question. The answer is NO, even if FFLs can no longer sell semi auto handguns, there are many other styles of handguns, besides revolvers, that they will be able to sell. Do you really believe that all non semi auto handguns are revolvers? Your question implies that you do.

[Vindag]

Lol, I guess I should just answer your question. The answer is NO, even if FFLs can no longer sell semi auto handguns, there are many other styles of handguns, besides revolvers, that they will be able to sell. Do you really believe that all non semi auto handguns are revolvers? Your question implies that you do.

I am trying to learn as much as possible about this new law. I have read it several times and find it difficult to totally understand what it means. Many of the posters have been helpful in their opinion about what the law says. You are an outlier, continuing to lecture me on what a revolver is, and what a semi-automatic is. I have been shooting handguns for 50 years, and well aware that there are some non-semi autos, that aren't revolvers, which is totally irrelevant to this thread. Your posts are basically useless to this particular thread.

[SamsDX]

This seems like they are playing the blame game. What I mean is this takes affect in 2028 so they will blame gun manufactures for not inventing microstamping and further push their ideology that firearm manufactures and gun owners are monsters. Trying to think like a lib hurts my head.

Someone asked the question about the unavailability of microstamping technology during the signing party/press conference. Newsom and Blakespear were both adamant that the technology is available "now," even as they talk out of the other side of their mouth that the "state will provide" the technology. I'm not sure which engineer, technician, analyst, or whatever at the CalDOJ Bureau of Firearms will have the mechanical engineering chops to develop an implementation of microstamping that actually works, but the prospect of a state-developed, state-mandated feature is deeply troubling.

When I first saw this bill, I thought, they're just pushing things out to 2028 and it's no big deal. But after listening to that press conference, it sounds like they have more immediate plans in mind.

[SamsDX]

I *think* PPT is still exempted. My first read I came to your conclusion but I looked at the exemptions and it lists 28050 transactions. PC28050 covers Private party firearms transactions.

For the avoidance of doubt, PC 28050 quoted in its entirety:

CHAPTER 5. Procedure For a Private Party Firearms Transaction [28050 - 28070] ( Chapter 5 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )

28050.

(a) A person shall complete any sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm through a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, in accordance with this chapter in order to comply with Section 27545.

(b) The seller or transferor or the person loaning the firearm shall deliver the firearm to the dealer who shall retain possession of that firearm.

(c) The dealer shall then deliver the firearm to the purchaser or transferee or the person being loaned the firearm, if it is not prohibited, in accordance with Section 27540.

(d) If the dealer cannot legally deliver the firearm to the purchaser or transferee or the person being loaned the firearm, the dealer shall forthwith, without waiting for the conclusion of the waiting period described in Sections 26815 and 27540, return the firearm to the transferor or seller or the person loaning the firearm. The dealer shall not return the firearm to the seller or transferor or the person loaning the firearm when to do so would constitute a violation of Section 27500, 27505, 27515, 27520, 27525, 27530, or 27535.

(e) Until July 1, 2024, if the dealer cannot legally return the firearm to the transferor or seller or the person loaning the firearm, then the dealer shall forthwith deliver the firearm to the sheriff of the county or the chief of police or other head of a municipal police department of any city or city and county, who shall then dispose of the firearm in the manner provided by Sections 18005 and 34000.

(f) If Commencing July 1, 2024, if the dealer cannot legally return the firearm to the seller, transferor, or person loaning the firearm, then the following procedure shall apply:

(1) The seller, transferor, or person loaning the firearm may request, and the dealer shall grant, that the dealer retain possession of the firearm for a period of up to 45 days so that the transferor or seller or the person loaning the firearm may designate a person to take possession of that firearm in accordance with Section 27540. This 45-day period shall be in addition to the waiting period described in Sections 26815 and 27540, and any time necessary to process a transaction.

(2) If, before the end of the 45-day period, the seller, transferor, or person loaning the firearm designates a person to receive the firearm and that person completes an application to purchase, the dealer shall process the transaction in accordance with the provisions of Section 27540.

(3) If the seller, transferor, or person loaning the firearm, does not request that the firearm be held by the dealer pursuant to this subdivision, or the firearm cannot be delivered to the designated person, the dealer, shall forthwith deliver the firearm to the sheriff of the county or the chief of police or other head of a municipal police department of any city or city and county, where the dealership is located, who shall then dispose of the firearm in the manner provided by Sections 18000, 18005, and 34000.

(g) (1) If a dealer retains possession of a firearm pursuant to subdivision (f), the dealer shall within 72 hours after retaining possession of the firearm, notify the Department of Justice in a manner and format prescribed by the department.

(2) If a dealer delivers possession a firearm to a law enforcement agency pursuant to subdivision (e) or (f), the dealer shall notify the Department of Justice within 72 hours after the delivery of the firearm in a manner and format prescribed by the department.

So yes, you're right - there's an exemption for PPTs.

[bool1tholz]

Moving the microstamping into a statute is probably just virtue signaling on the part of SB452's author Catherine Blakespear

It's odd that there is a 2028 start date to this microstamping requirement in the statute. If the handgun roster is defeated in Boland V Bonta before 2028 that leaves a window to buy new handguns.

Also the SB-452 microstamping statute probably will be challenged successfully before 2028 using similar logic that removed microstamping from the handgun roster requirements.

[AlmostHeaven]

Moving the microstamping into a statute is probably just virtue signaling on the part of SB452's author Catherine Blakespear

It's odd that there is a 2028 start date to this microstamping requirement in the statute. If the handgun roster is defeated in Boland V Bonta before 2028 that leaves a window to buy new handguns.

Also the SB-452 microstamping statute probably will be challenged successfully before 2028 using similar logic that removed microstamping from the handgun roster requirements.

This legislation constitutes nothing short of a total prohibition on the sale of all modern handguns in 2028. I find it absolutely infuriating how much the State of California abhors the Constitution and how the d*mn electorate keeps reelecting the same tyrants.

[DCoakley]

^^^agree^^^

[Harland Barricuda]

Moving the microstamping into a statute is probably just virtue signaling on the part of SB452's author Catherine Blakespear

It's odd that there is a 2028 start date to this microstamping requirement in the statute. If the handgun roster is defeated in Boland V Bonta before 2028 that leaves a window to buy new handguns.

Also the SB-452 microstamping statute probably will be challenged successfully before 2028 using similar logic that removed microstamping from the handgun roster requirements.

that's probably the time frame the uc davis tards gave them for their creation to become "real". blind leading the blind leading the blind

[Darto]

PPT will be allowed and then price will skyrocket. Glocks for 2500 bucks, sigs for 3-4k. Buy all you can good investment.

High Point 9. I know what I have!!! Trade for bass boat, what do ya have?

[emmortal]

There's a court case currently challenging the hand gun roster and specifically the microstamping rule, which they just omitted from the law and kicked the can down the road to 2028 in order to attempt to get a more favorable court ruling at that time.

[CSACANNONEER]

Then the only handgun you could buy from a dealer, would be a revolver.

To answer your question again, NO, you will still be able to buy non revolver handguns that are not semi autos. How much clearer can I be in answering your question?

I am trying to learn as much as possible about this new law. I have read it several times and find it difficult to totally understand what it means. Many of the posters have been helpful in their opinion about what the law says. You are an outlier, continuing to lecture me on what a revolver is, and what a semi-automatic is. I have been shooting handguns for 50 years, and well aware that there are some non-semi autos, that aren't revolvers, which is totally irrelevant to this thread. Your posts are basically useless to this particular thread.

LOL, why would you think non semi auto non revolvers are irrelevant to your question? Ignoring those handguns would not be properly answering your question. I believe I'm the only one in this thread who has actually properly answered your question. Others are talking about PPTs and other non FFL transfers but, your question has nothing to do with those.

[Vindag]

To answer your question again, NO, you will still be able to buy non revolver handguns that are not semi autos. How much clearer can I be in answering your question?



LOL, why would you think non semi auto non revolvers are irrelevant to your question? Ignoring those handguns would not be properly answering your question. I believe I'm the only one in this thread who has actually properly answered your question. Others are talking about PPTs and other non FFL transfers but, your question has nothing to do with those.

Ok, being that you are persisting with this line of thinking, I will play along. Please name a few of your non semi auto non revolver handguns that we can buy if this new law goes in effect in 2028. Are they presently only handguns that are on the roster or all non semi auto non revolver that are available in 2028? But please list some.

[CSACANNONEER]

Ok, being that you are persisting with this line of thinking, I will play along. Please name a few of your non semi auto non revolver handguns that we can buy if this new law goes in effect in 2028. Are they presently only handguns that are on the roster or all non semi auto non revolver that are available in 2028? But please list some.

LOL, many handguns are EXEMPT from the roster. There are lever action, bolt action, pump action, break barrel, swivel barrel, etc. handguns out there which can be purchased in CA today either as SSE or C&R. Franklin Armory currently has 4 non semi auto handguns on the roster. I'm not going to go through the roster to provide more proof of my claims.

Has anyone else answered your question in this thread better/more accurately than I have? Or, do you just want to keep bashing me for being the only one here who has actually answered your question?

[Vindag]

LOL, many handguns are EXEMPT from the roster. There are lever action, bolt action, pump action, break barrel, swivel barrel, etc. handguns out there which can be purchased in CA today either as SSE or C&R. Franklin Armory currently has 4 non semi auto handguns on the roster. I'm not going to go through the roster to provide more proof of my claims.

Has anyone else answered your question in this thread better/more accurately than I have? Or, do you just want to keep bashing me for being the only one here who has actually answered your question?

Lol, you are the only poster that would not get into a legitimate conversation on what exactly SB452 meant. My main concern was that if present handgun roster semi autos like Glock gen 3, Springfield XD, Beretta M9 would be exempt from microstamping in 2028. Also, would PPT semi auto handguns still be exempt from microstamping. Most of the other posters answered these questions. You are fixated on that there are some non-semi auto handguns that aren't revolvers. So, I asked you to name a few non revolver handguns that would be available in 2028 if the law went into effect. Instead, you mention several long guns, such as shotguns, pump action, lever action, bolt action etc. I'm a new poster but am learning who to just ignore for now on.

[CSACANNONEER]

Lol, you are the only poster that would not get into a legitimate conversation on what exactly SB452 meant. My main concern was that if present handgun roster semi autos like Glock gen 3, Springfield XD, Beretta M9 would be exempt from microstamping in 2028. Also, would PPT semi auto handguns still be exempt from microstamping. Most of the other posters answered these questions. You are fixated on that there are some non-semi auto handguns that aren't revolvers. So, I asked you to name a few non revolver handguns that would be available in 2028 if the law went into effect. Instead, you mention several long guns, such as shotguns, pump action, lever action, bolt action etc. I'm a new poster but am learning who to just ignore for now on.

Your assuming facts not in evidence. I have NEVER mentioned long guns in this thread. I personally own bolt action, lever action, etc. handguns. I'm sorry if you can't grasp the FACT that such handguns exist and have existed for well over 100 years. I was clearly responding to your statement:

Then the only handgun you could buy from a dealer, would be a revolver.

In light of the fact that many non semi auto handguns exist which are not revolvers, your statement /question is wrong. You will still be able to buy non revolver, non semi auto handguns. You will NOT be able to purchase semi auto revolvers or other semi auto handguns from a FFL in CA.

I apologize for stating facts that you are unaware of and seemingly refuse to acknowledge.

To properly answer your question, regarding what may and may not be available in 2028 isn't going to happen until 2028 since, more laws will be passed and some laws will be ruled unconstitutional or otherwise revised or removed.

BTW, I highly encourage you to learn more about handguns. Google "bolt action pistol", "lever action pistol", "pump action pistol", "semi auto revolver", etc. I'm trying to educate you here but, for whatever reason, you refuse to learn and, instead, attack me for trying to help you.