Prohibit licensed gun dealers from selling semiautomatic pistols without microstamps

[DolphinFan]

How does a State have ANY Authority over a Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer?
They are regulated by the Federal Government.
The state CAN tax the sale, determine the zoning, but I doubt any state has the legal authority to demand a FFL to sell firearms or not sell certain firearms?
I just don?t see anywhere the state retains the authority.
The 10th would suggest they have none.

[AlmostHeaven]

How does a State have ANY Authority over a Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer?
They are regulated by the Federal Government.
The state CAN tax the sale, determine the zoning, but I doubt any state has the legal authority to demand a FFL to sell firearms or not sell certain firearms?
I just don't see anywhere the state retains the authority.
The 10th would suggest they have none.

You are advocating for an expansion of the negative commerce clause to stipulate that federal law fully preempts state regulations on firearms commerce, which while a perfectly valid position, has not been endorsed by the Supreme Court.

[Dan_Eastvale]

How does a State have ANY Authority over a Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer?
They are regulated by the Federal Government.
The state CAN tax the sale, determine the zoning, but I doubt any state has the legal authority to demand a FFL to sell firearms or not sell certain firearms?
I just don?t see anywhere the state retains the authority.
The 10th would suggest they have none.

They've been getting away with it for a long, long time

[fireguymfd]

There's a court case currently challenging the hand gun roster and specifically the microstamping rule, which they just omitted from the law and kicked the can down the road to 2028 in order to attempt to get a more favorable court ruling at that time.

This, California is playing the long game. They own every State Senator in the 9th Circuit. They are wining the court appointee game from Federal District Courts to the Appeals Courts, and counting down the days it will take for the Supreme Court to change in their favor.

Meanwhile, Cali, Oregon and Washington gun owners are dying the death of a thousand cuts. Republicans have better pull their heads out of their a__ and start appealing to a greater audience, whom ironically they may have more in common with than Democrats. We have a messaging problem. Getting rid of McCarthy isn’t going to further gun rights today or in the future. Republicans have to be competitive in west coast elections, and more importantly, like it or not appeal to independent voters. Our democracy depends on it.

[Usmc0844spare]

Republicans have to be competitive in west coast elections, and more importantly, like it or not appeal to independent voters. Our democracy depends on it.

NOPE.

You MUST see everything ONLY in black and white, believe the election was stolen and that Trump is the second coming despite all evidence to the contrary, and that one day this ENTIRE country is going to inexplicably flip flop into a conservative utopia where all abortion is illegal all the time, the gheys are properly back in the closet, people believe Russia is really our friend, and everyone has completely unfettered access to literally any gun they want.

THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE! NO COMPROMISE!! NOT ONE STEP BACK!!

- most derps on this board who can't see the reality of their situation staring them in the face.

[AlmostHeaven]

NOPE.

You MUST see everything ONLY in black and white, believe the election was stolen and that Trump is the second coming despite all evidence to the contrary, and that one day this ENTIRE country is going to inexplicably flip flop into a conservative utopia where all abortion is illegal all the time, the gheys are properly back in the closet, people believe Russia is really our friend, and everyone has completely unfettered access to literally any gun they want.

THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE! NO COMPROMISE!! NOT ONE STEP BACK!!

- most derps on this board who can't see the reality of their situation staring them in the face.

Living in California for too long has clearly caused people to fall out of touch with the reality of most independent Americans, who do not have a libertarian bone in their bodies. The (perhaps inadvertently) unspoken caveat with the entire "steer towards the center" strategy is that 60-65% of Americans favor high-capacity magazine bans and assault weapons bans. A Republican Party that appeals to moderates would drop its opposition to abortion and gun safety measures.

Therefore, yes, I agree that the GOP could win more elections by moving away from the right-wing base and towards moderates. I am sure you would be eager to vote for Republican politicians who support abortion access, LGBTQ+ rights, and gun control, while keeping the bread and butter conservative issues of free enterprise, border security, and tough-on-crime policies.

[fireguymfd]

I think we all know what?s coming, but the rest of the country is under the illusion things are going to change by doing the same old thing.

The future is in ballot harvesting and expanding the base! At least Democrats in the House didn?t vacate their speaker. And? now we know? even left wing crazies aren?t right wing crazy!

Minority party’s do not get to appoint judges!

This is my point, Hispanic voters have more in common with Republican ideals, they are the future. Florida figured it out, why can?t we do the same?

[Pranqster]

You are an outlier, continuing to lecture me on what a revolver is, and what a semi-automatic is. I have been shooting handguns for 50 years, and well aware that there are some non-semi autos, that aren't revolvers, which is totally irrelevant to this thread. Your posts are basically useless to this particular thread.

He's making an argument that is technically "correct", but utterly useless to 99.9% of gun owners, who arent roll-playing Pirates.

LOL, why would you think non semi auto non revolvers are irrelevant to your question?

Because only Doofus LARPERS consider Blunderbusses to be serious firearms.

[Vindag]

He's making an argument that is technically "correct", but utterly useless to 99.9% of gun owners, who arent roll-playing Pirates.


Because only Doofus LARPERS consider Blunderbusses to be serious firearms.

Exactly! That was my whole point to him, but he seized on my revolver comment, and wouldn’t let it go, as he wanted to “teach” me something.

[Harland Barricuda]

This, California is playing the long game. They own every State Senator in the 9th Circuit. They are wining the court appointee game from Federal District Courts to the Appeals Courts, and counting down the days it will take for the Supreme Court to change in their favor.

Meanwhile, Cali, Oregon and Washington gun owners are dying the death of a thousand cuts. Republicans have better pull their heads out of their a__ and start appealing to a greater audience, whom ironically they may have more in common with than Democrats. We have a messaging problem. Getting rid of McCarthy isn?t going to further gun rights today or in the future. Republicans have to be competitive in west coast elections, and more importantly, like it or not appeal to independent voters. Our democracy depends on it.

if you have a rational position, you are never going to appeal to independents.

broaden your appeal at the expense of your principles is the RINO strategy in the first place. how far did that get us? you're still painted into a corner by various strawmen

the republican position is the hard one to take. democrats offer easy(fake) solutions that require no work or sacrifice. the normies are always going to gravitate towards those willing to lie to them.

[Harland Barricuda]

Living in California for too long has clearly caused people to fall out of touch with the reality of most independent Americans, who do not have a libertarian bone in their bodies. The (perhaps inadvertently) unspoken caveat with the entire "steer towards the center" strategy is that 60-65% of Americans favor high-capacity magazine bans and assault weapons bans. A Republican Party that appeals to moderates would drop its opposition to abortion and gun safety measures.

Therefore, yes, I agree that the GOP could win more elections by moving away from the right-wing base and towards moderates. I am sure you would be eager to vote for Republican politicians who support abortion access, LGBTQ+ rights, and gun control, while keeping the bread and butter conservative issues of free enterprise, border security, and tough-on-crime policies.

just give up 2A entirely while you're at it.

[Harland Barricuda]

I think we all know what?s coming, but the rest of the country is under the illusion things are going to change by doing the same old thing.

The future is in ballot harvesting and expanding the base! At least Democrats in the House didn?t vacate their speaker. And? now we know? even left wing crazies aren?t right wing crazy!

Minority party?s do not get to appoint judges!

This is my point, Hispanic voters have more in common with Republican ideals, they are the future. Florida figured it out, why can?t we do the same?

Cubans are not the same as Mexicans and South Americans. Different values and backgrounds.

All a democrat has to do is scream borders are racist, and you'll "figure out" soon enough why the republicans can never gain any traction with them. our position of a secure border goes directly against their perceived self interest

[DB>]

You VILL drive an electric car....
You VILL only have the gun we say you can have...
You VILL allow your children to choose whichever of 187 "sexes" they want...
You VILL eat Bugs...
and
You VILL be happy!!!!!

Your elite overlords declare it, make it so!!

[CSACANNONEER]

He's making an argument that is technically "correct", but utterly useless to 99.9% of gun owners, who arent roll-playing Pirates.


Because only Doofus LARPERS consider Blunderbusses to be serious firearms.

I didn't even bring up black powder type handguns. That said, only a Doofus would stand in front of (what you appear to deem) "unserious firearms". Do you really believe that a 12g pump handgun, a Mares leg, a TC Contender, an XP100, a COP, a straight pull bolt action AR type pistol, etc. isn't a "serious firearm"? Just because a few people are too uneducated and/or close minded and believe the only alternative to a semi auto handgun is a revolver, it doesn't make it so.

[AlmostHeaven]

Despite everything, I still maintain hope because of how far away from rock bottom the gun rights movement has managed to end up.

Everything seemed utterly lost in the middle of 2016. That year, I literally went on a spending rampage and bought a whole new safe full of firearms and 13,000 rounds of ammunition because I thought Hillary Clinton would win and fill Justice Scalia's seat with a far-left progressive activist, who would form a 5-4 liberal majority capable of transforming the constitutional landscape.

I was in total despair and thought District of Columbia v. Heller itself would be overturned, and Congress would soon thereafter pass wide-reaching bans on all semi-automatic weapons and ammunition purchases.

Instead, President Trump won against all prognostications and replaced Justice Scalia, Justice Kennedy, and Justice Ginsberg, significantly shifting the court in the opposite direction of what I had resigned myself to accepting.

Since then, I have always held faith that the war is far from lost. Defeatism crushes the spirit and serves no purpose other than to embolden the enemy.