Private Security Contractors in A Post Earthquake California?

[gazzavc]

Having been in the middle of 3 large earthquakes and the LA riots, trust me, there's no way that any LEO or private security agency is going to be confiscating guns from the average citizen, especially in a disaster.

The LEO's I encountered in LA during the riots were thrilled to see armed citizens protecting themselves and considered us as helping the situation, not creating more problems. Driving down Vermont the 1st morning after the riots started, the cops who manned a checkpoint at the CHP headquarters near Hollywood, told us to put our gun barrels out the window, so the bad guys could see we were armed. Many of the people who were swarmed, pulled out of their cars & killed, didn't have guns, so they became instant victims. I had 2 friends murdered in the riots, one old guy being swarmed in his car and one in his store, after he ran out of ammo.

Sure enough every 5-6 blocks, for 8-10 miles, there were groups of scumbags waiting to jump on someone who was not black and who couldn't defend themselves. Everytime they saw my CAR barrel sitting out of my window, they just yelled some BS about kill whitey and I'd drive off. Once in a while they'd throw bottles or rocks, but their aim was as bad as their IQ. It was an interesting and enlightening time, that opened my eyes to real racism in America.

On the 2nd night of the riots, a good friend of mine, who managed a chain of sporting goods stores, told me that 6 National Guard trucks, full of troopers pulled up outside of his store at 2am. The commander stopped at the Signal Hill store in hopes of buying 223 ammo for his troops, so they wouldn't have to go into a war zone unarmed. WTF is up with that ??? The gov't is sending soldiers into a war zone with no ammo and these are the people you're worried about disarming you ???

They were lucky that my buddy didn't obey the law banning the sale of ammo or guns during the riots and he sold them 6000 rds. The commander wrote a personal check and he also wrote my friend a very nice thank you letter for his help. The NG troopers broke the wood cases right there on the sidewalk, loaded their mags and proceeded into south central LA. Later that morning, the same unit had 2-3 shootouts with bad guys doing drivebys on soldiers standing guard on street corners.

Don't forget, LAPD was not rolling on ANY emergency calls and they were only being dispatched with fire trucks, to protect the fire fighters from being attacked. Think about that for a minute. You're in the middle of a riot area that lasted for 3-4 days and the cops are nowhere to be found and they will not respond to any emergency call. Who are you worried about confiscating your guns ???

I was standing in front of a friends store that was looted & burned on the first night and we were watching the fire dept work to protect a block of apt buildings. The cops were standing guard for the firemen and 50 ft across the street, the animals are looting a supermarket, a dry cleaners, a shoe store and a liquor store. The cops just watched and did nothing, so the people went wild with greed and stole everything that wasn't nailed down. AND THE POLICE JUST WATCHED !!!!! IMHO, if they would have fired over the looters heads, the looting is over and these lowlifes would have crawled back under their rock.

During the Northridge earthquake, my same buddy who managed a chain of stores, asked me to hang with him because the power was out and he was by himself protecting the store. Since my house was red tagged and had collapsed, I had no immediate plans, so I grabbed my CAR, M1a bush, a Glock 22 and spent the night protecting his store from looters. Everytime the cops drove by and saw us, they waved and asked if everything was ok. I carried my CAR on a front sling, my G22 was on a thigh holster and my M1a was on the roof of a car. The cops were interested in what we were carrying, because they were only allowed to carry a Beretta 92 and the Rem 870 mag and they told us they wished they could arm themselves with what we had. They said if they were caught carrying an unauthorized gun, they would be suspended or fired, which really makes a lot of sense.

Remember the North Hollywood Bank of America shootout ? The cops drove to the gun store I used to manage and were given 6 Colt AR Sporters because they were so outgunned. Imagine if just one cop had an AR or M1a, the shootout would have been over in minutes, instead of having 16 people shot and the bad guys tearing up a neighborhood. The worst part is that the USMC gave the LAPD 200 M-16's, but they're locked up because LAPD doesn't have the money to train the cops. WTF ???

Trust me, the average LEO knows that when the chips are down, they can depend on us to back them up in an emergency. If the gov't can't disarm the gangs in every major city, what makes you think they're going to have the resources to go door to door and confiscate every gun from the good guys ???

The best advice is to make friends with your neighbors, maybe some will be on the same page as you and make up some basic neighborhood protection plan. As far as I'm concerned, it's better to have extra food, guns & ammo to share with your neighbors, than to worry about them taking something from you. The one essential in my backpack is a Katadyn pocket water filter, because water is the one thing you can't live without and if you wanna make friends in a disaster, be able to provide others with fresh water.

Sorry for the ramble but I type about 90wpm and I get carried away.

Ray

Ray

+1 on your analysis. I worked at Oxnard & Lankershim when the shootout happened and remember exactly what the LAPD did when they went over to B&B to get some weapons.

During the Northridge quake my dad and I were both carrying pistols in holsters and were looked upon favourably by the LAPD. At our house we had a generator and had lights on by 4:45 in the morning. Came daylight we had close to 50 people sitting on our front lawn being given cups or tea & coffee as fast as we could make them. When the LAPD drove by and asked if there was anything we needed we chatted with them and they gave us the thumbs up for being a help as opposed to a hinderance.

Good show

Gary

[Ron-Solo]

Like I said, the Federal law was passed based on the BS that was pulled after Katrina to prevent it from happening. Law Enforcement is aware of the law.

I spent countless days on duty as a field supervisor for LASD during the LA Riots and Northridge easrthquake. The only guns we seized were those being used in crimes. I had many a plesant conversation with homeowners and business owners who were better armed than I was.

Too many people keep spreading the paranoia. New Orleans has been historically a less than honorable department, as evidenced by video of uniformed officers stealing TVs.

California is a lot different than Louisiana.

Things like bullet buttons, while I believe they are legal and comply with existing laws, will continue to be debated until someone in Sacramento has the testicular fortitude to make a decision one way or another, or we get good case law to define it clearer.

Things like laws stating "thou shalt not confiscate during time of disaster" don't leave much to intrepret.

I am positive that in LA County during a disaster, you won't see private security (Blackwater or anyone else) going house to house seizing stuff unless you see LE in hot pursuit. It's pretty clear that it is BS and someone is spreading it on pretty thick. They might be contracted to protect fixed assets such as buildings, supply locations, etc, to free up LE for police work. That was the biggest critique we (LE) had after Northridge that we wasted manpower guarding supply sites that could have been protected by security. (We had 8 deputies guarding water stocks that we were told to give away to people in need. It needed to be guarded to prevent hording, but it didn't need 8 fully trained deputy sheriffs.) Changes are made following every major operation such as these, that one was fixed long ago.

Aloha,

Save the paranoia for something that counts, like the Obamanation.

[sd1023x]

Also, why I say local police and National Guard is that they are Californians and they understand us as a culture. They swear oaths to protect us and thats more important that the almighty dollar. Living across the US, I've determined we are distinct cultures and although we are all 'Americans' what flies in CA doesn't fly in Pennsylvania. And understand cultural nuances can advert a shooting situation.

Where does Xe get all their staff? What is their training? Are they trained in law enforcement? Crowd control? Does Xe train cohesively as a unit in crowd control? Are there mercs from philiphines? Which nations? What is their training? Do we need law and order or heavily armed men roaming around with different agendas?

[Mulay El Raisuli]

Save the paranoia for something that counts, like the Obamanation.

Agree completely.

The Raisuli

[B Strong]

See here: http://www.burkeoneil.com/view_file....file/pleadings
and here: http://www.burkeoneil.com/view_file....file/pleadings

I hope that you make decisions based on something more than hearsay or speculation - those "affidavits" have more holes in them than Mussolini.