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  • sd1023x
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 1016

    Private Security Contractors in A Post Earthquake California?

    What right do we have in shaping our disaster response? I just read on Wiki that Arnold Schwarzenegger was/is in talks with Blackwater to provide potential post earthquake disaster security in California? I understand its Wikipedia and veracity of that statement is questionable, lets move to the hypothetical and say what if. I certainly would not want anybody but the police/national guard handling security.
    Last edited by sd1023x; 08-04-2009, 11:21 AM.
    Originally posted by Shotgun Man
    Sorry, but I can't help but get a homo-erotic vibe from this thread.
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    yellowfin
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2007
    • 8371

    Originally posted by sd1023x
    I certainly would not want anybody but the police/national guard handling security.
    Big city CA police chiefs are the last people I'd want in charge of...well, anything.
    "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
    Originally posted by indiandave
    In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
    Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.

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    • #3
      Hunter4life1990
      Member
      • Feb 2009
      • 328

      Originally posted by yellowfin
      Big city CA police chiefs are the last people I'd want in charge of...well, anything.
      thats for darn sure, we saw how katrina went
      "Liberals hate America, they hate "flag-wavers," they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam (post 9/11). Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now."

      "If gays can't change, why do liberals think child molesters can?"

      Originally posted by AJAX22
      Its the liberal fallacy.... "All men are equal, except for me, cause I know what is good for you better than you do."

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      • #4
        GoodEyeSniper
        Senior Member
        • May 2009
        • 812

        Arnie already signed a bill saying there won't be any citizen disarmament like happened in Katrina, right? Now, I know that's not necessarily saying much, but it gives a certain peace of mind.

        I'd prefer a bill stating that following a natural disaster, citizens who are securing food/water/shelter can carry loaded firearms. Then give the National Guard a vacation.

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        • #5
          Sam1
          Senior Member
          • May 2008
          • 764

          private security will go house by house disarming people . . . and can probably get away with more than a local leo

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          • #6
            bodger
            Calguns Addict
            • May 2009
            • 6016

            Originally posted by Sam1
            private security will go house by house disarming people . . . and can probably get away with more than a local leo
            Bloodbath awaits those who try.

            How that was avoided in Katrina times, I don't know.
            But it makes me wonder how many people gave LE the impression that they would have a firefight on their hands if they went any further and the LE backed off.

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            • #7
              POLICESTATE
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Apr 2009
              • 18185

              Yeah but private security are NOT leo or military therefore should be okay to defend your family from them if they threaten you with violence, after all if they are regular citizens then if they are doing stuff like that then they are just regular criminals as well. On the other hand how well would any regular armed citizen be able to stand up against mercenaries like Blackwater? It's a difficult catch 22 that could probably be endlessly debated but no one would really know how it would play out until it happened. Let's hope it never does.
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              • #8
                oepirate
                Member
                CGN Contributor
                • Apr 2009
                • 225

                Didn't Heston have some line about that?

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                • #9
                  GoodEyeSniper
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 812

                  Originally posted by POLICESTATE
                  Yeah but private security are NOT leo or military therefore should be okay to defend your family from them if they threaten you with violence, after all if they are regular citizens then if they are doing stuff like that then they are just regular criminals as well. On the other hand how well would any regular armed citizen be able to stand up against mercenaries like Blackwater? It's a difficult catch 22 that could probably be endlessly debated but no one would really know how it would play out until it happened. Let's hope it never does.
                  If it's inside your house, not too hard, though it would make your life much more difficult. Have all doors and windows secured, and simply don't show them that you are home. If they try to push in, start on more offensive defense

                  Trying to raid a well defended home can be very difficult. And I doubt blackwater would be cruising around with full on concussion grenades, door breaching tools, etc... A SWAT team with correct planning and tools is one thing, roving squads of "peace keeping" contractors is another entirely.

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                  • #10
                    MrClamperSir
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 2570

                    Originally posted by bodger
                    Bloodbath awaits those who try.

                    How that was avoided in Katrina times, I don't know.
                    But it makes me wonder how many people gave LE the impression that they would have a firefight on their hands if they went any further and the LE backed off.
                    Know your neighbors and group up.
                    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.

                    Originally posted by dieselpower
                    Its very rare LEO encounter some armed crazy who is going to kill them, but it happens enough to warrant their training....... And its rare to encounter LEO willing to lie, cheat and falsify testimony, but it happens enough to warrant invoking all your rights the second you are stopped.

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                    • #11
                      sd1023x
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 1016

                      Originally posted by Hunter4life1990
                      thats for darn sure, we saw how katrina went
                      Agree with you, but you don't understand, New Orleans Police is uniquely....corrupt/ineffective as hell. I can't look up names right now, but the NYC police chief that seriously cleaned up NY under Mayor Giuliani was asked to do the same in New Orleans. Like six months into it, he gave up trying to reform the NO PD.

                      I believe whole heartedly, that my local PD is much more professional and of higher caliber
                      Originally posted by Shotgun Man
                      Sorry, but I can't help but get a homo-erotic vibe from this thread.

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                      • #12
                        bodger
                        Calguns Addict
                        • May 2009
                        • 6016

                        Originally posted by MrClamperSir
                        Know your neighbors and group up.
                        LOL!!!
                        I live in LA right on the border of West Hollywood. If some of my liberal anti-gun poop-head neighbors even knew that I had guns, they would probably group up against ME.

                        But I agree with you, given that you had the right kind of neighbors, that would be a good idea.

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                        • #13
                          sd1023x
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 1016

                          Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
                          If it's inside your house, not too hard, though it would make your life much more difficult. Have all doors and windows secured, and simply don't show them that you are home. If they try to push in, start on more offensive defense

                          Trying to raid a well defended home can be very difficult. And I doubt blackwater would be cruising around with full on concussion grenades, door breaching tools, etc... A SWAT team with correct planning and tools is one thing, roving squads of "peace keeping" contractors is another entirely.
                          I dunno, I think they'd just spray down your house from top to bottom with their automatic weapons and burn your house down. Maybe even a satchel charge. Why bother breaking in? Easy enough to say they took some rounds from such and such home and returned fire. Their word against.....
                          Originally posted by Shotgun Man
                          Sorry, but I can't help but get a homo-erotic vibe from this thread.

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                          • #14
                            bodger
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2009
                            • 6016

                            Originally posted by sd1023x
                            I dunno, I think they'd just spray down your house from top to bottom with their automatic weapons and burn your house down. Maybe even a satchel charge. Why bother breaking in? Easy enough to say they took some rounds from such and such home and returned fire. Their word against.....
                            Yep. Gus saw a muzzle flash. Had to be a bad guy.

                            Snake and nape on my command.

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                            • #15
                              1BigPea
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 1102

                              Originally posted by yellowfin
                              Big city CA police chiefs are the last people I'd want in charge of...well, anything.

                              Same here...

                              In a disaster I would think most of the resources will be centered in high population areas due to looting, fires, riots, etc.
                              Originally Posted by Wherryj
                              I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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