Private Security Contractors in A Post Earthquake California?

[Rob454]

Well first of all, Blackwater are not mercenaries. Mercs are up for hire to highest bidder. Blackwater's only employer is the United States! They are not against americans and if you ever had a confrontation with these guys, the outcome would not be good for you. Believe me when I say this, I've personally have seen their capabilities. It's easy to type anything behind a keyboard, real life is a whole lot different.

yeah dude i know what theire capable of. Just because I type behind a computer doesnt mean I dont know what black water is OR seen them in action. Call them what you will theire not supermen theire people and people can be killed no matter what anyone said. Sure one that has experience may be harder to kill but not impossible. You make it sound like theire indistructable. Like I said theire are plenty of vets that can and will fight. Sure i agree one guy against a squad may not be successful but thats not always the case.

Do you really think that people arent gonna stand up to someone just willy nilly entering houses, roughing people up? Sure it may happen for a while but eventually someone will say no no not my house

PS i wasnt the one that caled them mercs in the first place. Either way FWIW

Oh and as for working for them yeah i would simply for the money just like probably the reason a lot of people work for them. But if it came down to shooting americans or confiscating weapons no I wont.

[locosway]

Spacestuff, while yes, I would agree with you normally, I don't think the riots are a good indicator of a major disaster.

Katrina had confiscations, and that was because they could get enough LE to overcome the few people who were left alive and still in the area.

While the riots didn't have death, it was just the general population going nuts. So the numbers were still in favor of the citizens.

If riots were to come up because some white honkey decided to pull a JFK then yeah, I can see the cops standing down because they would be out numbered. However if there was a disaster with a good number of people dead then the numbers turn in their favor.

[cadurand]

Having been in the middle of 3 large earthquakes and the LA riots, trust me, there's no way that any LEO or private security agency is going to be confiscating guns from the average citizen, especially in a disaster.

After the events that took place after the hurricane in New Orleans I don't know how you can say this. The government confiscated weapons from "average" people. There is even video of it as it happened along with the police saying only cops are allowed to have guns.

Maybe your personal experiences can teach us that the LEO/Gov't reaction can vary. Sometimes an armed citizen will be welcomed and other times he will be disarmed. I personally think it depends on the level of destruction and how concerned the government is about maintaining control. I think post-Katrina New Orleans was in much worse shape than South Central LA during the Rodney King riots.

[shonc99]

Having been in the middle of 3 large earthquakes and the LA riots, trust me, there's no way that any LEO or private security agency is going to be confiscating guns from the average citizen, especially in a disaster......


....Sorry for the ramble but I type about 90wpm and I get carried away.

Ray

Dude, I don't know you but I like your observations and analysis. It seems that the anxiety of the situation exists on both sides and those that are armed and capable of defending themselves will fare much better than those who are not.

[Sgt Raven]

After the events that took place after the hurricane in New Orleans I don't know how you can say this. The government confiscated weapons from "average" people. There is even video of it as it happened along with the police saying only cops are allowed to have guns.

Maybe your personal experiences can teach us that the LEO/Gov't reaction can vary. Sometimes an armed citizen will be welcomed and other times he will be disarmed. I personally think it depends on the level of destruction and how concerned the government is about maintaining control. I think post-Katrina New Orleans was in much worse shape than South Central LA during the Rodney King riots.

You didn't see the gun confiscations in other parts of Louisiana or Mississippi, just New Orleans, which has been and always will be a dirty corrupt city.

[badicedog]

Having been in the middle of 3 large earthquakes and the LA riots, trust me, there's no way that any LEO or private security agency is going to be confiscating guns from the average citizen, especially in a disaster.

The LEO's I encountered in LA during the riots were thrilled to see armed citizens protecting themselves and considered us as helping the situation, not creating more problems. Driving down Vermont the 1st morning after the riots started, the cops who manned a checkpoint at the CHP headquarters near Hollywood, told us to put our gun barrels out the window, so the bad guys could see we were armed. Many of the people who were swarmed, pulled out of their cars & killed, didn't have guns, so they became instant victims. I had 2 friends murdered in the riots, one old guy being swarmed in his car and one in his store, after he ran out of ammo.

Sure enough every 5-6 blocks, for 8-10 miles, there were groups of scumbags waiting to jump on someone who was not black and who couldn't defend themselves. Everytime they saw my CAR barrel sitting out of my window, they just yelled some BS about kill whitey and I'd drive off. Once in a while they'd throw bottles or rocks, but their aim was as bad as their IQ. It was an interesting and enlightening time, that opened my eyes to real racism in America.

On the 2nd night of the riots, a good friend of mine, who managed a chain of sporting goods stores, told me that 6 National Guard trucks, full of troopers pulled up outside of his store at 2am. The commander stopped at the Signal Hill store in hopes of buying 223 ammo for his troops, so they wouldn't have to go into a war zone unarmed. WTF is up with that ??? The gov't is sending soldiers into a war zone with no ammo and these are the people you're worried about disarming you ???

They were lucky that my buddy didn't obey the law banning the sale of ammo or guns during the riots and he sold them 6000 rds. The commander wrote a personal check and he also wrote my friend a very nice thank you letter for his help. The NG troopers broke the wood cases right there on the sidewalk, loaded their mags and proceeded into south central LA. Later that morning, the same unit had 2-3 shootouts with bad guys doing drivebys on soldiers standing guard on street corners.

Don't forget, LAPD was not rolling on ANY emergency calls and they were only being dispatched with fire trucks, to protect the fire fighters from being attacked. Think about that for a minute. You're in the middle of a riot area that lasted for 3-4 days and the cops are nowhere to be found and they will not respond to any emergency call. Who are you worried about confiscating your guns ???

I was standing in front of a friends store that was looted & burned on the first night and we were watching the fire dept work to protect a block of apt buildings. The cops were standing guard for the firemen and 50 ft across the street, the animals are looting a supermarket, a dry cleaners, a shoe store and a liquor store. The cops just watched and did nothing, so the people went wild with greed and stole everything that wasn't nailed down. AND THE POLICE JUST WATCHED !!!!! IMHO, if they would have fired over the looters heads, the looting is over and these lowlifes would have crawled back under their rock.

During the Northridge earthquake, my same buddy who managed a chain of stores, asked me to hang with him because the power was out and he was by himself protecting the store. Since my house was red tagged and had collapsed, I had no immediate plans, so I grabbed my CAR, M1a bush, a Glock 22 and spent the night protecting his store from looters. Everytime the cops drove by and saw us, they waved and asked if everything was ok. I carried my CAR on a front sling, my G22 was on a thigh holster and my M1a was on the roof of a car. The cops were interested in what we were carrying, because they were only allowed to carry a Beretta 92 and the Rem 870 mag and they told us they wished they could arm themselves with what we had. They said if they were caught carrying an unauthorized gun, they would be suspended or fired, which really makes a lot of sense.

Remember the North Hollywood Bank of America shootout ? The cops drove to the gun store I used to manage and were given 6 Colt AR Sporters because they were so outgunned. Imagine if just one cop had an AR or M1a, the shootout would have been over in minutes, instead of having 16 people shot and the bad guys tearing up a neighborhood. The worst part is that the USMC gave the LAPD 200 M-16's, but they're locked up because LAPD doesn't have the money to train the cops. WTF ???

Trust me, the average LEO knows that when the chips are down, they can depend on us to back them up in an emergency. If the gov't can't disarm the gangs in every major city, what makes you think they're going to have the resources to go door to door and confiscate every gun from the good guys ???

The best advice is to make friends with your neighbors, maybe some will be on the same page as you and make up some basic neighborhood protection plan. As far as I'm concerned, it's better to have extra food, guns & ammo to share with your neighbors, than to worry about them taking something from you. The one essential in my backpack is a Katadyn pocket water filter, because water is the one thing you can't live without and if you wanna make friends in a disaster, be able to provide others with fresh water.

Sorry for the ramble but I type about 90wpm and I get carried away.

Ray

Yes, you are correct! All National Guard troop out of Los Alamitos had no ammo. It was supposed to be a visual deterrent (WTF).

[gn3hz3ku1*]

Blackwater guys are mostly ex gov/mil they shot for team USA and get a thumbs up in my book.. smuggle FA guns into a country with plenty of FA arms? hmmm yea okayyyyyyyyy

[postal]

Ive seen a photo posted here of what appeared by some to be the CHP patch on their shoulder

It was the youtube video of the old woman that got thrown around her kitchen by 3 guys who stole her old revolver.

You can see a patch on one shoulder that looks like CHP.

All 3 of them looters shoulda been shot on the spot.

[Ron-Solo]

Federal law has since been passed preventing the confiscation of firearms during a disaster. This topic has been beaten to death in other threads.

Enough of the paranoia already. Like other posts have said, private firms will be guarding fixed locations, not roving the streets looking for little old ladies to mug.

Reality check time.

[stphnman20]

Which is?

I will be happy to tell you be unfortunately I cant due to comsec materials..
Go here and register. And ask all the BW or any other private sectors questions you have..

[badicedog]

Federal law has since been passed preventing the confiscation of firearms during a disaster. This topic has been beaten to death in other threads.

Enough of the paranoia already. Like other posts have said, private firms will be guarding fixed locations, not roving the streets looking for little old ladies to mug.

Reality check time.

Ron, I am not anti LEO or jaded by "bad'" LEO encounter. I did not see any LEO's looking out or having the " best interest " of any of the New Orleans citizens. That said, that incident when our fellow LEO had a time to "shine", well it just went the opposite direction and a lot of people have a hard time forgetting and forgiving. Our 2A rights have always been the law of the land, unless I'm wrong I did not see any LEO following that law! So how does a new Federal law surpass the 2A? And yes, I would come to the aid of anyone in need of my help LEO or citizen alike.

[tazmanian devil dog]

private security will go house by house disarming people . . . and can probably get away with more than a local leo

And unlike LEO's they will probably get shot if they try to disarm us.

[badicedog]

Blackwater guys are mostly ex gov/mil they shot for team USA and get a thumbs up in my book.. smuggle FA guns into a country with plenty of FA arms? hmmm yea okayyyyyyyyy

The only incident that I was aware of was in Jordan. Some guy tried to bring in a complete upper with optic which was confiscated and he was fired shortly after. What most people don't understand is that FA firearms are under strick Federal regulations. Contractors cannot take these type of firearms abroad, period! Any FA firearms overseas in use by Contractors are "battlefield pick-ups".

[stphnman20]

The only incident that I was aware of was in Jordan. Some guy tried to bring in a complete upper with optic which was confiscated and he was fired shortly after. What most people don't understand is that FA firearms are under strick Federal regulations. Contractors cannot take these type of firearms abroad, period! Any FA firearms overseas in use by Contractors are "battlefield pick-ups".

Correct!
Now, everything is provided for you in country.. As for Jordan, man they have some tight security i'll tell you!!

[berto]

Federal law has since been passed preventing the confiscation of firearms during a disaster. This topic has been beaten to death in other threads.

Enough of the paranoia already. Like other posts have said, private firms will be guarding fixed locations, not roving the streets looking for little old ladies to mug.

Reality check time.

I mostly agree with the caveat that the federal and state laws regarding confiscation are only as good as those tasked with enforcing them whether sworn or just hired from a contracting company. Those seeking to break such laws have the full power and authority of their positions and won't pay for any dereliction of their duties until after the feces is long gone from the fan. Shooting it out is not a viable option. Being disarmed and winning apologies, money, and the return of confiscated guns after the fact is great but leaves folks unarmed at the time they most need their firearms. i have confidence in the vast majority of those serving. It's the small minority that cause concern.