legality question about brass knuckles

[E Pluribus Unum]

i have a couple of walking sticks but i always leave em at home. cuss i feel like if i take them with me il get in trouble if an officer sees me with it. im an average healthy male so i would think to see me with a walking stick would be a little suspiscious. i would def. feel more at ease to take it with me when i make late night runs to the grocery store though..

Why would you say that? I suffer injuries in Karate almost every week. These are bruises and strains of muscle and bone that do not show up on X-Ray.... carrying a walking stick greatly helps with the pain of walking.

[Matt C]

I disagree. Keeping or possessing a billy club is a felony in all cases. If your logic held true, any home owner that picked up a bat in defense of his home would be committing a felony.

If the use of force is appropriate, one can use a walking cane for self defense.

One cannot simply use a cane to bash someone's head in a fight, but if the assailant had a knife... use of the cane for self defense would be warranted.

A billy is a cylindrical blunt object used as a weapon. You can have a stick or a bat, but if you tell the officer you intend to hit someone with it (even in self defense) it would be a 12020 violation for possession of a billy club. There is no exception in the law for self defense.

[CLUTCH]

Why would you say that? I suffer injuries in Karate almost every week. These are bruises and strains of muscle and bone that do not show up on X-Ray.... carrying a walking stick greatly helps with the pain of walking.

hmm never thought of it that way.. i take MMA training so i do get beat up pretty bad sometimes. next time if i have to go out late im gonna take it along with me.. ; ] mabe il limp a lil bit if i see an officer haha thanks again.

[rolo]

I'm curious, I see a specific code against metal knuckles and a specific code against plastic knuckles, since I don't see anything prohibiting wood or leather knuckles, doesn't that mean they are fair game? I think I'll go out to the shop and make up a set just for s&g.

[E Pluribus Unum]

A billy is a cylindrical blunt object used as a weapon. You can have a stick or a bat, but if you tell the officer you intend to hit someone with it (even in self defense) it would be a 12020 violation for possession of a billy club. There is no exception in the law for self defense.

This is true.... however who would be so stupid? If an officer asks what its for, you say "It is a walking stick".

If however you are attacked and one uses a walking stick to defend himself, that is not intent, but circumstance. If you did not INTEND it for self defense, it is not a billy.

I'm curious, I see a specific code against metal knuckles and a specific code against plastic knuckles, since I don't see anything prohibiting wood or leather knuckles, doesn't that mean they are fair game? I think I'll go out to the shop and make up a set just for s&g.

The hard surface is not what makes the knuckles so devastating, it is the mass. One's knuckles are pretty hard anyway. A similar effect can be achieved by simply holding a steel bar while punching. The added mass increases the force.

[RideIcon]

nope plastic knuckles were banned as well

"12020.1. Any person in this state who commercially manufactures or causes to be commercially manufactured, or who knowingly imports into the state for commercial sale, keeps for commercial sale, or offers or exposes for commercial sale, any hard plastic knuckles is guilty of a misdemeanor."


ownership or even importation for private ownership of lexan knuckles does not seem to be illegal in any way

Do work

[ke6guj]

Umm, I think lexan is considered a plastic, same as the epoxy resins in carbon fiber stuff.

[RideIcon]

where does it say possession of plastic knuckles is illegal, it only says manufacture, or importation for commercial sale of plastic knuckles is illegal
I only said lexan cuz of these

http://www.knockoutknucks.com/plastic.html

[ke6guj]

ok, missed that possession was not illegal in 12020.1. Thought you were trying to say that Lexan wasn't considered plastic.

[lorax3]

"12020.1. Any person in this state who commercially manufactures or causes to be commercially manufactured, or who knowingly imports into the state for commercial sale, keeps for commercial sale, or offers or exposes for commercial sale, any hard plastic knuckles is guilty of a misdemeanor."

Would placing an order for Lexan knuckles for the purpose of private non-commercial use be "causes to be commercially manufactured"?

[RideIcon]

no
they aren't made in cali

[CLUTCH]

where does it say possession of plastic knuckles is illegal, it only says manufacture, or importation for commercial sale of plastic knuckles is illegal
I only said lexan cuz of these
http://www.knockoutknucks.com/plastic.html

wait.. so these are legal in ca?
hmm i just might be able to get my display knucks ; ]

[Jpach]

Any ideas on whether carbon fiber knuckles are legal or not? Assuming they are not mixed with any plastic.

[ke6guj]

carbon fiber items are usually made with an epoxy resin, which is a plastic, os they would probably be considered Plastic knuckles.

Now, based on th PC , it appears that possession of plastic knuckles would be legal, but that the manufacture, sale, or importation for commercial purposes would be restricted.

[AJAX22]

wood knuckles would be legal

but i believe there is something which prohibits any 'belaying' device....

its very broadly worded