Can we just stop...

[SiegeX]

There was a Bill Mahr episode a few months back where he was actually explaining how it was a BS term...I think that's how you win at this point.

Link of that video, skip to 4:30

When someone asks you why you want a 2nd Amendment, tell them, "Because I want to kill without being charged with murder."

That's the most perverse interpretation of the 2A I've ever read. The 2A is there as a check and balance against tyranny "being necessary to the security of a free State." I no more want to kill anybody than I want our nuclear subs to launch our Trident ICBM's yet both are extremely necessary as a deterrent.

Not to mention the fact that the 2A gives no protection against the use of said arms, that is permissible by laws such as the castle doctrine or stand-your-ground which are all privileges granted by (some) state Government

[AceGirlsHusband]

Calling semi-automatic rifles "assault rifles" here?

It's not what they are, it's a media and liberal creation to scare soccer moms and wussies.

We need to quit playing their game.

How about we try to change the dialogue to the truth, rather than play along with our enemies.

Part of this problem is we don't control the dialogue. Its mostly a monologue, generated by anti-gun groups and legislators, who know absolutely squat about what they're trying to do.

[chris]

the problem is that it is a legal term in this stupid state.

[chris]

Part of this problem is we don't control the dialogue. Its mostly a monologue, generated by anti-gun groups and legislators, who know absolutely squat about what they're trying to do.

the left controls the media so they control the dialogue. it's that simple and that F'd up as well. There is only a one sided argument. There is no objectivity in the media.

This has been going on for decades in regards to guns period. It will not change any time soon no matter how many times we give them facts. Facts mean nothing emotion and half truths if you want to call them that rule the day and the story.

If objectivity and real investigative journalism actually returned the narrative on firearms would turn a complete 180 degrees. Since none of that will return we will have what we have a complete and total bias on firearms and the facts or lack thereof.

[LBDamned]

Tell a lie enough times and it becomes truth...

Use a term enough and it becomes standard...

There are tons of terms I can't stand that have become part of our culture (Cali is one of many)...

You have a better chance of just creating a new term than simply trying to get rid of another.

They should be called - giggle sticks or security wand or?... My creative juices aren't flowing right now - but we have some pretty creative characters here... Any term, if used enough, will become mainstream.

[Wiz-of-Awd]

Calling semi-automatic rifles "assault rifles" here?

It's not what they are, it's a media and liberal creation to scare soccer moms and wussies.

We need to quit playing their game.

How about we try to change the dialogue to the truth, rather than play along with our enemies.

An assault weapon is a media and liberal creation.
An assault rifle is a select fire weapon.

You're confused, but thanks - I think.

A.W.D.

[Mitch]

Calling semi-automatic rifles "assault rifles" here?

It's not what they are, it's a media and liberal creation to scare soccer moms and wussies.

We need to quit playing their game.

If you object to using the term "assault rifle" to describe a rifle that is identical in every way to an M16, except for the absence of three parts, you are indeed playing their game. You bought their notion there is something disreputable about assault rifles.

If you insist on using lame euphemisms like "modern sporting rifle," you may as well quit right now.

Let me remind everyone that if it wasn't for the Hughes Amendment of 1986, between a quarter and a third of privately owned AR-15s would today be select-fire anyway. Then you silly argument where you concede to our enemies that select fire is bad would look even more foolish.

[Mitch]

An assault weapon is a media and liberal creation.

Well, today it's a legal term.

And the liberal media didn't create the term, gun industry folks advertising in Shotgun News did, back in the 1980s or so.

[PartyBarge]

Calling semi-automatic rifles "assault rifles" here?

It's not what they are, it's a media and liberal creation to scare soccer moms and wussies.

We need to quit playing their game.

How about we try to change the dialogue to the truth, rather than play along with our enemies.

Prop 63 passed by 27%. That's a landslide. We are talking 63% to 36%.

I don't care if we end up calling our rifles candy canes, the California public - misinformed or not, has made up their mind. The road ahead is paved with more laws and infringements. It'll take the Supreme Court at this point to drain the swap in Sacramento.

[ShaneB]

Dieselpower....please tell me you don't really believe that's the meaning of the 2n Ammendment.

[Fastattack]

Maybe with Trump about to become president, we have a shot at changing the national dialog and having a voice in the lexicon. It is true that the left creates and uses trigger words to their advantage. They are experts at it.

[BAJ475]

Dieselpower....please tell me you don't really believe that's the meaning of the 2n Ammendment.

Well that it is at least part of it. What do you think the term self defense means? What the 2A does, or what it is supposed to do, is guarantee us the means to be able to defend ourselves with weapons capable of inflicting lethal injury.

[BAJ475]

Maybe with Trump about to become president, we have a shot at changing the national dialog and having a voice in the lexicon. It is true that the left creates and uses trigger words to their advantage. They are experts at it.

Actually, I am looking forward to being able to call my AR sporting rifles assault weapons.

[chris]

Prop 63 passed by 27%. That's a landslide. We are talking 63% to 36%.

I don't care if we end up calling our rifles candy canes, the California public - misinformed or not, has made up their mind. The road ahead is paved with more laws and infringements. It'll take the Supreme Court at this point to drain the swap in Sacramento.

Doubtful that will ever be in our lifetimes. I'm going with Giant Meteor hitting Sacramento and only inflicting damage to the capitol building while they are all there.

[cvigue]

Calling semi-automatic rifles "assault rifles" here?

It's not what they are, it's a media and liberal creation to scare soccer moms and wussies

If you're gonna complain you should understand what you're complaining about. The term assault rifle has a very distinct meaning and was most surely not invented to scare soccer moms.

The term you're likely looking for is "Assault Weapon", which is a BS term invented to scare soccer moms.