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  • BluNorthern
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2010
    • 10236

    Can we just stop...

    Calling semi-automatic rifles "assault rifles" here?

    It's not what they are, it's a media and liberal creation to scare soccer moms and wussies.

    We need to quit playing their game.

    How about we try to change the dialogue to the truth, rather than play along with our enemies.
    "I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

    Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
  • #2
    WartHog
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 4639

    Hear Hear - Well Said!

    Sent via my Lumia 640 & mTalk
    Originally posted by Sierra57
    Civil War 2.0 - If it comes to pass, the America-hating Leftists will have brought it upon themselves. I value Freedom more than their sorry lives and the form of Governance they espouse, which offers no Freedom and complete servitude to the State.
    "We have four boxes with which to defend our Freedoms: the Soap box, the Ballot box, the Jury box, and the Cartridge box" - Ed Howdershelt

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    • #3
      zhyla
      Banned
      • Aug 2009
      • 2017

      I rarely see the term "assault rifle" used here. Do you mean "assault weapon"? Because that is a legal term we should all be very familiar with by now and -- like it or not -- is not going away.

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      • #4
        elSquid
        In Memoriam
        • Aug 2007
        • 11844

        It's a conversation that should have happened 30 years ago...





        ...at this point the die seems pretty much cast.

        -- Michael

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        • #5
          GM4spd
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2008
          • 5682

          A little late----

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          • #6
            BluNorthern
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Mar 2010
            • 10236

            Originally posted by zhyla
            I rarely see the term "assault rifle" used here. Do you mean "assault weapon"? Because that is a legal term we should all be very familiar with by now and -- like it or not -- is not going away.
            Yeah...assault rifle/assault weapon.

            You can call it a legal term if you want, it's a fictitious description designed to instill negative emotions in regards to a common firearm platform. We're not talking 3 round burst or full auto....the description is a lie.

            You go ahead and accept it if you want, there's a lot of that going on around here.
            "I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

            Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

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            • #7
              elSquid
              In Memoriam
              • Aug 2007
              • 11844

              Originally posted by BluNorthern

              You go ahead and accept it if you want, there's a lot of that going on around here.
              At one point "Saturday night special" was the super scary gun grabber term...and now it's not.

              WRT "assault rifles" instead of trying to banish a term that's been out there for 35+ years, better perhaps to explain to people what it really means.

              There was a Bill Mahr episode a few months back where he was actually explaining how it was a BS term...I think that's how you win at this point.

              -- Michael

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              • #8
                BluNorthern
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Mar 2010
                • 10236

                Originally posted by elSquid
                At one point "Saturday night special" was the super scary gun grabber term...and now it's not.

                WRT "assault rifles" instead of trying to banish a term that's been out there for 35+ years, better perhaps to explain to people what it really means.

                There was a Bill Mahr episode a few months back where he was actually explaining how it was a BS term...I think that's how you win at this point.

                -- Michael
                I know....like "high capacity" magazines for standard magazines.

                Gun grabbers have to resort to shock and awe to manipulate the dialogue.
                "I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

                Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

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                • #9
                  kwilkes91386
                  Junior Member
                  • Dec 2016
                  • 9

                  "high capacity" or "high cap" mags is a term that gun manufactures came up with. Just like those magazines noted above as it relates to rifles. I guess I could start calling them "high capacity clips" and get someone really riled up....

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                  • #10
                    dieselpower
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 11471

                    completely foolish childish talk, I dont like a word, lets not use it

                    come on now, grow up.

                    The term Assault Rifle is a derivative of the words used to describe a new form of firearm the Nazis invented, a smaller rifle carried by troops into close combat.

                    read and educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44

                    its an actual thing.

                    The term Assault Weapon was created as a legal definition of a firearm used in the same way, but not just a rifle. Its a legal term.

                    How about this, we stop playing games with the definition and meaning of the 2nd A and say exactly what it was written for, to allow a civilian to kill another civilian legally.

                    When someone asks you why you want a 2nd Amendment, tell them, "Because I want to kill without being charged with murder."

                    I want and like the term assault weapon and I want the term assault rifle.
                    What I hate is foolish children trying to say the 2nd Aendment is so they can hunt animals or play GI Joe with firearms.

                    You have no right to hunt, you have no right to firearm sports, you have no right to play with firearms or collect them. Those are all privileges granted by Government.

                    You have a right to own and use Assault Weapons, to kill other people trying to kill you.

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                    • #11
                      CitaDeL
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2007
                      • 5843

                      Originally posted by dieselpower
                      completely foolish childish talk, I dont like a word, lets not use it

                      come on now, grow up.

                      The term Assault Rifle is a derivative of the words used to describe a new form of firearm the Nazis invented, a smaller rifle carried by troops into close combat.

                      read and educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44

                      its an actual thing.

                      The term Assault Weapon was created as a legal definition of a firearm used in the same way, but not just a rifle. Its a legal term.

                      How about this, we stop playing games with the definition and meaning of the 2nd A and say exactly what it was written for, to allow a civilian to kill another civilian legally.

                      When someone asks you why you want a 2nd Amendment, tell them, "Because I want to kill without being charged with murder."

                      I want and like the term assault weapon and I want the term assault rifle.
                      What I hate is foolish children trying to say the 2nd Aendment is so they can hunt animals or play GI Joe with firearms.

                      You have no right to hunt, you have no right to firearm sports, you have no right to play with firearms or collect them. Those are all privileges granted by Government.

                      You have a right to own and use Assault Weapons, to kill other people trying to kill you.

                      I completely agree that it is childish and foolish to avoid using a word for fear it might be given power....

                      Both state and national law makers who use anything other than 'arms' are only subdividing the characteristics of protected weaponry and those who own them when they use nomenclature foreign to the constitution. We however, recognize and agree that 'assault weapons' are the arms that the founders intended to protect from onerous regulations, unlawful taxation, and prohibition.



                      Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat

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                      • #12
                        zhyla
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 2017

                        I for one get tired of the members that show up here once in a while and want to preach about the power of words. Especially in a gun forum where most people here are very educated about the meanings.

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                        • #13
                          BluNorthern
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 10236

                          Liberal anti-gunners have been using the 'power of words' to set the dialogue and kick our asses back to where, if they keep winning, we won't even be able to defend ourselves with slingshots.
                          "I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

                          Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

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                          • #14
                            elSquid
                            In Memoriam
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 11844

                            Past and present history give no reason to believe there'd be any public safety benefit to such a ban.


                            -- Michael

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                            • #15
                              zhyla
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 2017

                              Originally posted by BluNorthern
                              Liberal anti-gunners have been using the 'power of words' to set the dialogue and kick our asses back to where, if they keep winning, we won't even be able to defend ourselves with slingshots.
                              That's a very philosophical denial of the facts: we are losing because our fellow citizens do not need or want to own firearms and are uncomfortable with others doing so. I hear the term "sawed off shotgun" from non-gun people frequently. What they really mean is "scary gun". That's all these terms mean to most people. Arguing about names with us or them is wasted effort.

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