AB 1663- Chiu, 2016 - Dead in Committee

[matix101]

Shhhhhh...

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[bobbodaggit]

You make MOONBEAM sound like the gun packin governor of Texas! Pretty rosy picture you have painted here. Quit kidding yourself and all of us. The liberal Jerry Brown will make you feel good by rejecting half of the anti gun bills. Then he will stick it up our rears by signing the other half just like last year.

What's worse is that all the Calguns libs will sing his praises for only partially undermining our 2A rights instead of completely burying them.

Hardly. Considering he signed the 'gun violence restraining order, I'd hardly call him 'rosy.' Read his signing statement on SB 374 from a few years ago. I AM NOT saying he even agrees with post-Heller jurisprudence, but only that as legislation, a semi-auto & detachable magazine ban will not accomplish its stated goals.

If we want these bills to be vetoed by him, this is the angle to take - and I was complementing Mr. DeLuz for doing a good job so far this round.

And a Gov. Newsom or deLeon won't care at all over effectiveness to veto any of these, which will make Brown seem the model of reasonability.

[violentmouse]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to go and take advantage of the current cheeseburger loophole by using my driving loophole and my income loophole.

Seriously, just because it's not currently regulated its a mother effin loophole now ?

Facts are facts, it doesn't matter how many of us vote for something it will make it anyways, they will just dig up a surplus of dead peoples social security #'s and bypass us, kind of the way they win elections for office now anyways.

If you think for a hot minute that we can fight this on the terms they have set, you are beyond a lost cause.

The courts are against us, they are too busy making a political statement to defend us from a tyrannical government.

The sheeple are so busy watching TMZ and learning that "gunz be bad, and black lives matter, more than other lives movement is good"

Seriously, the only way we are going to get this kind of crap shut down is to make such a stink that the smell can't be ignored. You need to find a way to make them suffer doing the things they enjoy much in the same way they are making us suffer. (I won't go into details.... figure it out...)

Unite, and punish.

[snowdog650]

The governor likely owns or uses semi auto rifles with detachable magazines. He knows how many violent crimes are committed with these rifles and understands statistics. He knows how utterly pointless and unenforceable a ban of them would be towards stopping crime. I don't think the 2A as an individual right per Heller/McDonald was the primary motivation for his vetoes. I think to get his continued vetoes, we have to keep showing the futility of the bills, which DeLuz has done in the hearings. Even if the legislative Dems won't listen, Brown is.

1. You are assuming that Brown can stay sober long enough to remember what firearms he actually owns.

2. You are assuming that Brown, who is 77 years old, will be alive when this reaches the Governor's desk. You do realize who the next in command is, correct?

[Wes C Addle]

What about 80% lowers. Would they have to be registered as well?

what about them?

MYOB

[matix101]

So its been said numerous times in these 2a threads, but isn't the fact that these slimeball legislators swear an oath to protect the constitution but are systematically dismantling it grounds for removing them from office?

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[matix101]

As far as im concerned anyone who takes that oath then pushes bills like this is breaking that oath!!! Am i wrong in assuming this???

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[bootstrap]

This loophole existing infrigement on 2A rights enables a firearm owner to use a bullet or other pointed object to quickly significatly more slowy which was the real purpose behind the bullet button anyways; to limit firepower by magazine capacity and impede reload times by requiring a bullet button to ensure an unlevel playing field between the peasants and the king's men.

FIFY

[bootstrap]

As far as im concerned anyone who takes that oath then pushes bills like this is breaking that oath!!! Am i wrong in assuming this???

Not at all, at the nucleus of their representation of us is preserving and protecting our Constitutional rights, period.

Our individual rights & freedoms outlined in the US Constitution should be their primary concern, not the non-existent rights of the collective "public safety."

[matix101]

Not at all, at the nucleus of their representation of us is preserving and protecting our Constitutional rights, period.

Our individual rights & freedoms outlined in the US Constitution should be their primary concern, not the non-existent rights of the collective "public safety."

Then like i said i don't understand why there is even any argument about this topic they are breaking their sworn oath to protect the individuals constitutional rights!!
Why has no one gotten a lawyer to not only toss these criminals out of office but also throw them in jail??

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[Ford8N]

Then like i said i don't understand why there is even any argument about this topic they are breaking their sworn oath to protect the individuals constitutional rights!!
Why has no one gotten a lawyer to not only toss these criminals out of office but also throw them in jail??

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Ha, they don't give a damn about your constitutional rights. As long as you live in California, you will obey them like a good serf.

[AceGirlsHusband]

What about 80% lowers. Would they have to be registered as well?

Assembly "legislators" are already working on that "problem." Ssshhh's and MYOB's notwithstanding, its not a secret - and has been a target for legislators for some time. They just have to figure out the language so its not so "vague" to collapse under a court challenge.

[matix101]

Ha, they don't give a damn about your constitutional rights. As long as you live in California, you will obey them like a good serf.

Yeah and that is down right criminal, their sole purpose is to serve us, not their twisted agenda.
Are there any lawyer types here that would know or be able to look into if there is a possible case in forcing these authors to resign for breaking their sworn oath?

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[CandG]

Assembly "legislators" are already working on that "problem." Ssshhh's and MYOB's notwithstanding, its not a secret - and has been a target for legislators for some time. They just have to figure out the language so its not so "vague" to collapse under a court challenge.

DeLeon just needs to write a new bill that bans anything that can fire a 30 magazine clip in under half a second. That should take care of the 80% lower "problem".

The fact of the matter is, I don't see how they can make 80% lowers illegal. Here's why. They would have 2 choices: a) an outright ban on all 80% lowers, which would instantly create tens of thousands of felons with the stroke of a pen (local ordinances like the LA mag ban notwithstanding, most laws at the state level that attempt do this, do not get passed), or b) grandfather all existing 80% lowers, but ban new ones. In that case, by the very nature of an 80% lower, it would be completely impossible for the legislation to accomplish anything. "Oh look, I found all those 80% lowers I lost in that tragic boating accident all those years ago".

Additionally, how does one ban "anything that can be made into a firearm"? Literally EVERY solid material in existence would become illegal. Sorry, you must forfeit in your kitchen table, the wood can be machined into a lower. Turn in your laptops, soda cans, and loose change, they can all be melted into a lower. You may buy a replacement kitchen table, laptop, or case of Coca Cola, after you buy a safety certificate, submit the serial numbers and your thumbprints for a background check, and wait for 10 days.

Realistically, the legislators are grasping at straws trying to pass such a law. Brown already shot down the serial number requirement, so they don't have much left to work with.

[CAL.BAR]

You make MOONBEAM sound like the gun packin governor of Texas! Pretty rosy picture you have painted here. Quit kidding yourself and all of us. The liberal Jerry Brown will make you feel good by rejecting half of the anti gun bills. Then he will stick it up our rears by signing the other half just like last year.

What's worse is that all the Calguns libs will sing his praises for only partially undermining our 2A rights instead of completely burying them.

That's because the alternative is a DEM or (RHINO) who will sell out our rights ENTIRELY!