AB 1663- Chiu, 2016 - Dead in Committee

[Sousuke]

That will come after 2018, when all AWs bought between January 2001 and December 2016 are registered (they hope).

That is how New York did it if I recall correctly. So it is coming, but not for a couple of years at least..

The framework is there for sure and I agree. Sunnyvale and SF will be the first and it will slowly spread.

[Sousuke]

I thought of this... One rifle thats "AW" status... then just swap uppers from my 80% builds.

Or pre 2014 receivers.

[CessnaDriver]

I'll go out and buy a receiver and register it if this passes.

Yep a ton of sacrificial lambs will be bought.

[sothoth]

That will come after 2018, when all AWs bought between January 2001 and December 2016 are registered (they hope).



That is how New York did it if I recall correctly. So it is coming, but not for a couple of years at least..

They're confiscating in NY in 2018? Sorry maybe I'm mixed up on their law.

[shda5582]

We don't control the laws or the narrative, so we can just do the best we can as the laws change. There are really two options: (1) comply, (2) don't comply. Rebellion and similar nonsense is not an option.

***DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT ENDORSE NOR WISH TO ENDORSE OR EVEN SEE THE FOLLOWING ACTION HAPPEN, THIS ENTIRE LINE OF THINKING IS JUST A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT***

^ That said....why isn't it? I mean, the Founding Fathers came up with the idea of rebellion for far less than the abuses of power and corruption that we're seeing nowadays. Rebellion, but not outright Revolution; that came later when the British were marching against the militia in an attempt to seize their firearms and supplies. I think that we're kinda at that point here if we're talking about having to bury our firearms, shouldn't we be using them to overthrow said corrupt and abusive government? The FF's had the idea like so, "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I would ask, since it seems that we're facing a similar situation here, why wouldn't/shouldn't rebellion or revolution be considered at this point? We're pretty much almost at the point where the FF's were when they decided to engage in open warfare against an oppressive government hell-bent on taking their rights and arms by force, right? Why is the idea of doing and using the 2nd Amendment for its intended purpose such a forbidden idea to many of us? If we're seeing a government abusing its power and authority that we invested in them to strip Rights away from us then isn't it time for us to do the same as they once did, especially if legislature isn't an option and the courts are siding against us in the state?

[sl0re10]

I already have. That is for future 80% lowers. Still doesn't address my question about existing, legally possessed home built firearms (un-engraved) made from 80% lowers and their treatment under THIS proposed law.

you'll have to register it if it meets the definition in the law.... which it will if similar store bought ARs do.

[a1c]

So being registered assault weapons (assuming they're registered), they would no longer be transferable...

[desertjosh]

So being registered assault weapons (assuming they're registered), they would no longer be transferable...

Right. Destroyed upon death. F that, I'll move so my kids will be able to have them.

[Sousuke]

So being registered assault weapons (assuming they're registered), they would no longer be transferable...

confiscation at death....

at least for more traditional semiautos like say an M1a. An AR15 could be easily stripped at least.

[Ronin2]

***DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT ENDORSE NOR WISH TO ENDORSE OR EVEN SEE THE FOLLOWING ACTION HAPPEN, THIS ENTIRE LINE OF THINKING IS JUST A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT***

^ That said....why isn't it? I mean, the Founding Fathers came up with the idea of rebellion for far less than the abuses of power and corruption that we're seeing nowadays. Rebellion, but not outright Revolution; that came later when the British were marching against the militia in an attempt to seize their firearms and supplies. I think that we're kinda at that point here if we're talking about having to bury our firearms, shouldn't we be using them to overthrow said corrupt and abusive government? The FF's had the idea like so, "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I would ask, since it seems that we're facing a similar situation here, why wouldn't/shouldn't rebellion or revolution be considered at this point? We're pretty much almost at the point where the FF's were when they decided to engage in open warfare against an oppressive government hell-bent on taking their rights and arms by force, right? Why is the idea of doing and using the 2nd Amendment for its intended purpose such a forbidden idea to many of us? If we're seeing a government abusing its power and authority that we invested in them to strip Rights away from us then isn't it time for us to do the same as they once did, especially if legislature isn't an option and the courts are siding against us in the state?

Keep writing stuff like this in public forums and you will end up on a "no-fly list" and they may get ALL your guns that way.....

[glockman19]

***DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT ENDORSE NOR WISH TO ENDORSE OR EVEN SEE THE FOLLOWING ACTION HAPPEN, THIS ENTIRE LINE OF THINKING IS JUST A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT***

^ That said....why isn't it? I mean, the Founding Fathers came up with the idea of rebellion for far less than the abuses of power and corruption that we're seeing nowadays. Rebellion, but not outright Revolution; that came later when the British were marching against the militia in an attempt to seize their firearms and supplies. I think that we're kinda at that point here if we're talking about having to bury our firearms, shouldn't we be using them to overthrow said corrupt and abusive government? The FF's had the idea like so, "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I would ask, since it seems that we're facing a similar situation here, why wouldn't/shouldn't rebellion or revolution be considered at this point? We're pretty much almost at the point where the FF's were when they decided to engage in open warfare against an oppressive government hell-bent on taking their rights and arms by force, right? Why is the idea of doing and using the 2nd Amendment for its intended purpose such a forbidden idea to many of us? If we're seeing a government abusing its power and authority that we invested in them to strip Rights away from us then isn't it time for us to do the same as they once did, especially if legislature isn't an option and the courts are siding against us in the state?

I feel your desperation. It must be what the frog feels like just before boil.

But... You have to ask yourself, Why this is happening?

Looking at recent history you can see a slow breakdown of the entire system on all levels. Roads, bridges, infrastructure crumbling, Markets being manipulated, Due Process Ignored, Taxation Without Representation as not one member of the Senate of Congress ever voted to tax the people for non compliance of the PPACA, they just substituted "penalty" for "Tax" with no vote.
Usurpation of Bankruptcy laws when dealing with GM. Bond Holders have first position for repayment in Bankruptcy, instead of following the law, bondholders were screwed, to the benefit of GM employee unions and the Government. Law Enforcement killing unarmed citizens, then being covered by qualified immunities not given to the public, a clear 14th violation of Equal protection under the law and a "Special Class" of citizen immune to laws they enforce. But the Special Classis the Protector of the Government Policy.
Local Courts ignoring SCOUTS Heller & McDonald decisions and SCOUTS turning a blind eye to the abuse. Not to mention a State Government that "suspend" the laws that govern them because of their actions, because they can.

And I see small rebellions all over the country from BLM, to the Bundy's.

I wonder when the Roman Empire began to deteriorate, similarly to how we are now, if they felt the same way?

Well if history is any indication after the Roman Empire collapsed, didn't we enter the Dark Ages...

[Jimi Jah]

80% have no paper trail. Everyone should own at least one.

[a1c]

confiscation at death....

at least for more traditional semiautos like say an M1a. An AR15 could be easily stripped at least.

I know what you mean, but I don't think - at least when talking to antis or laypersons - we should not apply the word "traditional" to ARs or AKs. I have to often remind those folks that the AR and AK platforms are over half a century old. At this point, they've become "traditional" rifles as far as I'm concerned. Traditional, and common...

[The Gleam]

on the flip side.
if this passes, we get grandfathered.
then have to register our semis as AW.
an AW is an AW.
i'm puttin the regular mag release, 100 rd drum & a giggle switch on every lower i own.

No. I highly doubt that. I suspect by the time they are done, this thing will include an all-out ban, including on possession. Go after the law-abiding when you're a failure, makes so much sense? that would be like giving a speeding ticket to a parked Ferrari, because as a bicycle cop, you can't chase down the Prius going 60mph in a 35mph. But hey, you did SOMETHING about the speeding problem.

If they see the futility of what they are trying to achieve, whereby it's likely that OLL/OLR purchases since 2006 well-pass some 1.2 Million modern semi-automatic rifles (maybe more?) that are either bullet-button equiped or featureless, they may simply try to ban future BB-equipped rifle sales, but allow continued possession "as is".

I do not wish "registration" a la Roberti-Roos, SB23, or AB50 (.50NMG) on anyone. "Grandfathering" is not an advantage if when one day you are a grandfather yourself, you can not give your guns to heirs, can't sell them to make up for the fact Social Security benefits will be a thing of the past, and they get confiscated and destroyed on your death bed.

Registration comes with a ban on inability to transfer, strict transit and use requirements, and represents a shopping list for confiscation that tracks you and your specific gun through the years on call at any time by any LEO.

[The Gleam]

This bill deletes the concept of features. ALL centerfire semiautos are treated the same.

Nope. That's the OTHER bill currently revealed; AB1664 - Levine. This bill will work in conjunction with the AW aspects and designationsonly, and is not looking to ban semi-automatic rifles. Under this bill, featureless or MM grip will still be good to go. (For now, unless they change the intent and wording as pitched in their release).

Regardless, they are attacking us from both ends.