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(I've moved this from tail-end of another thread started by bdsmchs).
Thanks for tickling the bear, Christian
Dec. 10th will be the 3rd Anniversary of the OLL revolution, when OLL bulk sales began at the San Jose gunshow, thru the good graces of a redhead named Wes (10% Firearms) and a dude named Bill who wrote some supporting paperwork. (Much thanks to Ben Cannon and blackrazor for being the first intentional OLLs in California.]
For some time, we've known that the DOJ stance that a 'frame = handgun' cannot stand. It's time to kill the beast now.
This is more than a wild hair up our arses, we've accumulated paperwork supporting the legal correctness of our stance.
I myself have shied away from pushing against this in the past because it wasn't worth the drama at that time, a few OLL dramas had still occurred, and we could use the single-shot exemption in 12133PC - and thus the flow of AR pistols began. Plus we are now in a position where we can be more aggressive: some additional favorable OLL paperwork should soon be in the offing.
As of now:
- We've just killed the Roster.
- We've just killed mag disconnects.
- We've just killed LCIs.
- We've just killed microstamping (again).
If we attack en masse, nobody will have problems.
If DOJ continues to assert 'frame = handgun', we have an underground regulation readily and RAPIDLY challengeable outside the DOJ at OAL.
For clarity, let's get our terms straight and use them consistenly: I'd like to not mix up AW terminology and handgun Roster terminology. Let's keep "Off List" terminology restricted just for items not listed on, but perhaps similar to, items listed on Roberti-Roos or Kasler AW lists.
New terms we will use:
"NRFs" .... "Nerfs" -- I like it.
And in the very near future we will not have to do single-shot treatment for AR pistols. They'll be NRF'd. (For now, continue on.)
STI Frames, anyone? NRF it.
Hell, I'm getting a S&W M&P45 Compact. NRF'd
I think Hoffman wants that KelTec 223 pistol (gawd knows why, I thought he had better taste). NRFd, of course.
I'm gonna ask that folks hold off for a very short time, including extensive discussion, til we drop in the support into place - but transfers should begin fairly shortly by one or more "Leadership FFLs" in California.
[I'd suggest just to be clean that NRF frames get DROSed fairly stripped down and that you've already acquired the upper/bbl assy separately. Handing the bag of parts along with the frame at DROS time is just a bit close for comfort at least for me.]
Thanks for tickling the bear, Christian
Dec. 10th will be the 3rd Anniversary of the OLL revolution, when OLL bulk sales began at the San Jose gunshow, thru the good graces of a redhead named Wes (10% Firearms) and a dude named Bill who wrote some supporting paperwork. (Much thanks to Ben Cannon and blackrazor for being the first intentional OLLs in California.]
For some time, we've known that the DOJ stance that a 'frame = handgun' cannot stand. It's time to kill the beast now.
This is more than a wild hair up our arses, we've accumulated paperwork supporting the legal correctness of our stance.
I myself have shied away from pushing against this in the past because it wasn't worth the drama at that time, a few OLL dramas had still occurred, and we could use the single-shot exemption in 12133PC - and thus the flow of AR pistols began. Plus we are now in a position where we can be more aggressive: some additional favorable OLL paperwork should soon be in the offing.
As of now:
- We've just killed the Roster.
- We've just killed mag disconnects.
- We've just killed LCIs.
- We've just killed microstamping (again).
If we attack en masse, nobody will have problems.
If DOJ continues to assert 'frame = handgun', we have an underground regulation readily and RAPIDLY challengeable outside the DOJ at OAL.
For clarity, let's get our terms straight and use them consistenly: I'd like to not mix up AW terminology and handgun Roster terminology. Let's keep "Off List" terminology restricted just for items not listed on, but perhaps similar to, items listed on Roberti-Roos or Kasler AW lists.
New terms we will use:
- Off-Roster Handguns: handguns not on Roster nor exempt from it;
- Roster-Exempt Handguns: per 12133PC: dimensionally-compliant single-action
revolvers, dimensionally-compliant single-shot pistols, C&R handguns.
- Non-Rosterable Frames: (a.k.a NRFs), stripped handgun frame which aren't
Rosterable since they're not pistols - although eligible to be built into pistols.
"NRFs" .... "Nerfs" -- I like it.
And in the very near future we will not have to do single-shot treatment for AR pistols. They'll be NRF'd. (For now, continue on.)
STI Frames, anyone? NRF it.
Hell, I'm getting a S&W M&P45 Compact. NRF'd
I think Hoffman wants that KelTec 223 pistol (gawd knows why, I thought he had better taste). NRFd, of course.
I'm gonna ask that folks hold off for a very short time, including extensive discussion, til we drop in the support into place - but transfers should begin fairly shortly by one or more "Leadership FFLs" in California.
[I'd suggest just to be clean that NRF frames get DROSed fairly stripped down and that you've already acquired the upper/bbl assy separately. Handing the bag of parts along with the frame at DROS time is just a bit close for comfort at least for me.]
I want to build it myself. but this makes me think I want a uzi pistol too
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