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Expandable batons in California, who is exempt?
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Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)Comment
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Yes, same question here. Are the springy kinds legal or are they also considered expandable batons. I had one of this when I was overseas and it came handy when 3 dogs had me cornered in an alley. They fit nicely in the mini maglight holster and look just like flashlights.Human life is the most precious of achievements on Earth. For one to choose not to protect and preserve it is to show the utmost disrespect for life.Comment
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Yes, same question here. Are the springy kinds legal or are they also considered expandable batons. I had one of this when I was overseas and it came handy when 3 dogs had me cornered in an alley. They fit nicely in the mini maglight holster and look just like flashlights.
Likewise, carrying a baseball bat sans glove or balls in your vehicle can be construed as a violation of PC12020. Same goes for a Maglight if you're dumb or misinformed enough to tell a LEO that your reason for carrying or possessing it is for use as a melee weapon.
Short answer: almost certainly illegal.These posts are Fiction. They do not contain legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. Any resemblance to real persons are pure coincidence. These posts may pose an inhalation hazard, reading can be harmful or fatal. No statements made on this forum are meant to represent any corporate or business entity, others, or myself. Especially not myself.
Stop duping answers, help expand the FAQ.
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You're also probably thinking of PC626(a), which prohibit carrying fixed blade and folding knives greater than 2.5" on K-12 campuses, and (b), which prohibits carrying fixed blade knives greater than 2.5" on college campuses.These posts are Fiction. They do not contain legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. Any resemblance to real persons are pure coincidence. These posts may pose an inhalation hazard, reading can be harmful or fatal. No statements made on this forum are meant to represent any corporate or business entity, others, or myself. Especially not myself.
Stop duping answers, help expand the FAQ.
Why yes, that is me in my avatar and yes, I AM wearing a life jacket.
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ETA: The DA in that county, the Police and/or Sheriff's Department, those nice folks at the DoJ... I'm sure that any one of them would be happy to pay you this nice little visit, especially if the statute of limitations (if it applies in this case) hasn't run out...
It has been a long time since I've worked private security. However, it's been at least that long (and then some) that the BSIS has required certifications for security guards that carry weapons, even if they're "in-house" security guards.Last edited by CSDGuy; 11-09-2008, 9:17 AM.Comment
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Gravity knives with a blade under 2" are legal (auto-blades, butterfly knives, etc). Fixed blades of ANY length may not be carried concealed.Comment
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Yep, oops.
The way I understand it, having actually gotten the whole BSIS initial training, if your job function is NOT primarily security guard, then you shouldn't be hired and wear the uniform/badge/gear as one, because of conflict of interest and you would be distracted from observing and reporting. Doesn't sound like that's the case with hawk81, but...
From what I've read on the forum here, seems like everyone agrees that if you are working as a {insert job title other than anything BSIS-related} at any enclosed business, and the owner says you can carry loaded exposed or concealed there, that's legal. And a pretty decent deterrent to crime while you're exposing. Yes, it's usually seen at pawnshops and gun shops, but theoretically, it can be done anywhere with the owner's say-so.Last edited by N6ATF; 11-10-2008, 1:34 AM.Comment
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From what I've read on the forum here, seems like everyone agrees that if you are working as a {insert job title other than anything BSIS-related} at any enclosed business, and the owner says you can carry loaded exposed there, that's legal. And a pretty decent deterrent to crime while you're at it. Yes, it's usually seen at pawnshops and gun shops, but theoretically, it can be done anywhere with the owner's say-so.Comment
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PC12020(a)(1) is worded ambiguously enough that nearly anything can be considered a violation and classified as an illegal weapon. This has even been affirmed by case law, where the specific example of a chair leg was given.
Likewise, carrying a baseball bat sans glove or balls in your vehicle can be construed as a violation of PC12020. Same goes for a Maglight if you're dumb or misinformed enough to tell a LEO that your reason for carrying or possessing it is for use as a melee weapon.
Short answer: almost certainly illegal.
Wait having a Maglight is in violation of 12020a!?!? So if I had it in my center console that's a felony? Wtf.....Comment
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Correct answer (or some variation thereof) if a cop or anyone else asks you why you have it: "It's a flashlight. I want to be able to light up the dark."
Incorrect answer: "To hit someone/use as a club."These posts are Fiction. They do not contain legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. Any resemblance to real persons are pure coincidence. These posts may pose an inhalation hazard, reading can be harmful or fatal. No statements made on this forum are meant to represent any corporate or business entity, others, or myself. Especially not myself.
Stop duping answers, help expand the FAQ.
Why yes, that is me in my avatar and yes, I AM wearing a life jacket.
WTS Keltec P11Comment
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www.freestateproject.org - Liberty In Our Lifetime.
www.madison-society.org - the people who brought us Nordyke and long-time litigation group.
It's been more than 50 years since the US Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional to require a test and a tax for people to exercise their right to vote. Why is my right to carry a gun any different? I don't want a permission slip from a bureaucrat; I don't want to pay a tax or take a test. "Shall issue" is NOT good enough.Comment
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So, if you buy an expandable baton as a security guard, how do you go about disposing of it when you stop doing that line of work? What if you don't work as a guard, but you keep your registration current (just in case you get 'downsized' and need to fall back on that line of work)?www.freestateproject.org - Liberty In Our Lifetime.
www.madison-society.org - the people who brought us Nordyke and long-time litigation group.
It's been more than 50 years since the US Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional to require a test and a tax for people to exercise their right to vote. Why is my right to carry a gun any different? I don't want a permission slip from a bureaucrat; I don't want to pay a tax or take a test. "Shall issue" is NOT good enough.Comment
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