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Jackson v. SF (Ammo Ban; Locked Storage Reqts.): Cert DENIED 6/8/15

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  • North86
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2013
    • 1271

    Suck!
    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

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    • FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!
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      • Feb 2006
      • 3012

      FYI the dissenting opinion is in the 6/8 order list (haven't started reading it):

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      • thorium
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 970

        Really disappointing. The timing of this denial and the Peruta orals make me real uncomfortable... SCOTUS just emboldened the liberals in the 9th.
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        • El Toro
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          CGN Contributor
          • Mar 2011
          • 1406

          Ugh dont like the emphasis from Thomas/Scalia that 2A is meant for "hearth and home". Could mean they don't believe in bear outside the home.
          Western civilization represents the pinnacle of true human progress, and we should rightly be proud of it, delusional leftists be damned.

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          • RobertMW
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2013
            • 2117

            Holy...****...

            So Thomass' and Scalia's dissent basically spelled out the inner working of the court on this one. They won't affirm the lower court decision, but refuse to take it because it is "splitless." The rest of the court knows they can't take the case without reversing Heller, so they will just let the 9th Circuit do the work for them.

            I guess the left of the court will just bide their time until more of the court is gone, then reverse and remove the 2A from existance.

            **** SCOTUS
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            • RobG
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2006
              • 4887

              Only a matter of time before bills come along banning HP's and making storage req throughout the state, using the SF model of course.

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              • putput
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 775

                Question: "Is San Francisco’s attempt to deprive law-abiding individuals of immediate access to operable handguns in their own homes any more constitutional than the District of Columbia’s invalidated effort to do the same?"

                Answer: We're no longer in the business of protecting your rights.
                Last edited by putput; 06-08-2015, 7:41 AM.
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                • wireless
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                  • May 2010
                  • 4346

                  Wow

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                  • coryhenry
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 1326

                    Thomas makes very good points in his dissent, if only he could have pulled the rest to his side.
                    Cory

                    "Every man dies, not every man really lives!"

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                    • sholling
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 10360

                      Originally posted by thorium
                      Really disappointing. The timing of this denial and the Peruta orals make me real uncomfortable... SCOTUS just emboldened the liberals in the 9th.
                      I have to agree with you, in my opinion the Progressives on 9th Circus were using Jackson to test SCOTUS to see just how far they could go in nullifying Heller and the 2nd Amendment - and SCOTUS caved. I think that we can now expect other cities and counties and perhaps the state legislature to feel free to pass similar locked storage laws and ammo bans and that more courts will see the 2nd Amendment and Heller as little more than interesting but obsolete historical footnotes.

                      The future of the 2nd Amendment rides on the next two or three appointments to the Supreme Court.
                      Last edited by sholling; 06-08-2015, 7:54 AM.
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                      • RipVanWinkle
                        Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 266

                        Originally posted by RobertMW
                        I guess the left of the court will just bide their time until more of the court is gone, then reverse and remove the 2A from existance.
                        Or, maybe just continue to defer to local legislatures/city councils by refusing to decide 2A cases, letting local courts rule on the basis of their unique conditions, one of the arguments made by the state in Peruta. In any event the result as of now is to allow the local courts to decide on a "case by case basis". Hard to reconcile with Heller.

                        Last paragraph of the dissent:

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                        • Paladin
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 12374

                          Well, I guess we all just learned how much of an impact "take a liberal jurist shooting" has on their jurisprudence....

                          Looks like we all just better get used to realizing Con law is merely "politics writ Latin"....

                          While we should continue to pursue lawsuits, we'd better focus on our "ground game" (state & local politics) to bail our ***es out in this state. Don't count on Peruta getting cert., much less being a win for our side. Must suck to be OC resident right now. But at least the window opened for them for awhile. For the rest of us in anti counties: time to switch our Amazon purchases from supporting CGF to NRA-ILA and NRA-PVF and look for pro-CCW sheriffs candidates while reaching out to our friends, neighbors and coworkers to take them shooting and then explaining about CCWs, May vs Shall Issue, and SI's effect on reducing violent crime rates.

                          The Heller 5 has become the Jackson 2 which means there probably only would be the Peruta 2....

                          Heller-McDonald: "Dead letter" much?

                          Our "honorable" Dem gunnies around the nation had better realize they're going to have to vote for a conservative Repub for the next president if they want the federal courts to do ANYTHING to protect their RKBA. Best to switch parties ASAP so they can help us get a conservative/TEA party Repub win in the primaries and then elect them to the presidency. Dittos w/US Senators since they "advise and consent" on federal judges. Our Dem friends should also realize now the damage that has been done by the "nuclear option" being used by Dem Senators to pack the federal benches around the nation w/"liberal" (i.e., anti) judges over the past few years....

                          Originally posted by RipVanWinkle
                          Or, maybe just continue to defer to local legislatures/city councils by refusing to decide 2A cases, letting local courts rule on the basis of their unique conditions, one of the arguments made by the state in Peruta. In any event the result as of now is to allow the local courts to decide on a "case by case basis". Hard to reconcile with Heller.
                          Hard to reconcile with a fundamental, enumerated, inalienable Right that "shall not be infringed."

                          ETA: Rational basis dress up as intermediate scrutiny remains the standard for the 2nd A...
                          Last edited by Paladin; 06-08-2015, 3:04 PM.
                          240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

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                          • Dantedamean
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 2293

                            The whole state will enact laws regarding this now. I had a feeling they hadn't because they were worried about it getting smacked down my SCOTUS, now that they know that won't happen there's no reason they wont.

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                            • randian
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 1293

                              Originally posted by RipVanWinkle
                              Or, maybe just continue to defer to local legislatures/city councils by refusing to decide 2A cases, letting local courts rule on the basis of their unique conditions, one of the arguments made by the state in Peruta
                              A right that exists in some places but not others is not a right. Can you imagine if this sort of jurisprudence were applied to 1A or 4A cases? Yes you have the right to free speech, but "only in hearth and home". Or maybe you have the right to be free from unreasonable searches, but not when you enter Detroit.

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                              • Skidmark
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 1808

                                Thanks for nothing, John Roberts.
                                Making guns illegal is as stupid as making drugs or prostitution illegal.

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