NAGR v. San Jose [ORAL Arguments set for , see post #134]

[IVC]

Yeah, so now it is up to an underwriter to determine if we can afford to excercise our 2A rights. Complete and total BS.

Agreed, but that's the reasoning she used and that's the reasoning that should've been addressed in the complaint.

[abinsinia]

Status report

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.391018/gov.uscourts.cand.391018.77.0.pdf

[abinsinia]

Is a $25 fee de minimus ?

[SharedShots]

Yeah, so now it is up to an underwriter to determine if we can afford to excercise our 2A rights. Complete and total BS.

People seem to readily accept one person deciding if you can carry a gun (CCW)so this is just extending it to everyone in San Jose - so far.

That is how it works, start slow, get people used to something that doesn't affect everyone and then build out from there.

When will the few realize they sold out the many? By jumping through hoops just to get theirs, they set the stage. How's it all working out?

Pretty soon it will come down to a DGC (department of gun control) modeled after the DMV where you go to get your gun buying license, register the ones you buy, show proof of insurance and then have a clerk print out your papers. Guess who does that now for practical purposes and gloat they are better than everyone else because they're "licensed"?

[abinsinia]

It appears there is a "financial hardship exemption". I was thinking the $25 could be a lot for someone of little means, but if they exempt those people then that maybe isn't relevant .

[Foothills]

Pretty soon it will come down to a DGC (department of gun control) modeled after the DMV where you go to get your gun buying license, register the ones you buy, show proof of insurance and then have a clerk print out your papers. Guess who does that now for practical purposes and gloat they are better than everyone else because they're "licensed"?

Are you referring to Canada or New Jersey?

[abinsinia]

In this video he talks about taxes on civil rights. There is one case which is mentioned where Virginia had a $1.50 poll tax which was challenged in 1966.

I suspect Virginia thought a $1.50 was small enough to be O.K. The $1.50 in 2022 dollars is $13.

If San Jose is telling gun owners to pay $25 that's almost double a poll tax which was already stricken down as too much.

[rplaw]

Next time SCOTUS issues a 2A opinion it should be 100 pages of copy/paste "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" because it seems that's the only way to get through the thick skulls of inferior court judges what the 2A means.

They'll just ignore it because someone will say that somewhere the grammar is bad and it violates the style manual because of the unnecessary repetition. Thus, the opinion can be ignored as unintelligible.

[Librarian]

Pretty soon it will come down to a DGC (department of gun control) modeled after the DMV where you go to get your gun buying license, register the ones you buy, show proof of insurance and then have a clerk print out your papers. Guess who does that now for practical purposes and gloat they are better than everyone else because they're "licensed"?

And like DMVs, they'll have to test competence, which will require a shooting range and a rangemaster or two at each location. And, can't let that stand idle, so it'll have to be open nights and weekends, too.

[Foothills]

Appointments...

Are you referring to Canada or New Jersey?

Since I posted this comment, I did the Real ID application. With an appointment, and pre-approved documents, I was in and out of the DMV in 8 minutes.

Imagine a PPT/DROS, which uses the same documents, being completed that fast.

[sfpcservice]

Since I posted this comment, I did the Real ID application. With an appointment, and pre-approved documents, I was in and out of the DMV in 8 minutes.

Imagine a PPT/DROS, which uses the same documents, being completed that fast.

Same, the key to DMV is an appointment and have your documents in order.

[abinsinia]

Since I posted this comment, I did the Real ID application. With an appointment, and pre-approved documents, I was in and out of the DMV in 8 minutes.

Imagine a PPT/DROS, which uses the same documents, being completed that fast.

did you just take pictures and that was it ?

[rewireroy]

did you just take pictures and that was it ?

You do the whole new ID thing. You fill out a DL form, show your birth certifficate and social security proof, submit two pieces of proof of address, take a picture and possibly take the written test if required.

[homelessdude]

And you did all that in 8 minutes?

[Silence Dogood]

Since I posted this comment, I did the Real ID application. With an appointment, and pre-approved documents, I was in and out of the DMV in 8 minutes.

Imagine a PPT/DROSFFL sale, which uses the same no documents, being completed that fast.

FIFY

What documents must one use to speak her mind in public or to avoid making self-incriminating statements or to freely practice religion? None obviously because these behaviors are protected by the Bill of Rights.

The SCOTUS just stated plainly in the NYSRPA v. Bruen decision that the Second Amendment should not be a second class directive of the BoR. Therefore, no documents should be required to legally buy/sell/use arms*. Period.

Thus in your hypothetical, “that fast” seems pretty slow. Outside of maybe haggling over price, eight minutes seems kind of long if simply exchanging consideration (money) for a product (gun) that is being legally sold by one party to another. Such a transaction should take mere moments.