Renna v Bonta - US Dist Ct So Cal, 11/2020 (Roster: PI granted and stayed 3-31-23)

[f80vm]

Sounds like they're willing to sacrifice micro-stamping to save the other 2 requirements.

[1911su16b870]

Ms. Murphy for Boland did an outstanding job. Hopefully her arguments will assist those made by Renna's counsel.

[CGZ]

Sounds like they're willing to sacrifice micro-stamping to save the other 2 requirements.

I got that impression too. It's also 'status quo' seeing as how microstamping is currently enjoined and a few pistols have been added to the roster with CLIs and/or MDMs.

[32spoke]

I'm surprised that a family of someone that was shot by a officer hasn't filed a law suit stating that the officer used a unsafe weapon.

They have:

Dindo muffin vs Bonta..

Ok, bad joke. But I see your point!!

[7.62mm_fmj]

Judge Berzon seems incapable of discussing analogous laws in an unbiased light

[32spoke]

Judge Berzon seems incapable of discussing analogous laws in an unbiased light

Yes, and she dismissed the notion of the Bruen decision nullified the public interest argument, even when she was respectfully reminded of it. Would that be enough grounds for an appeal to a higher court?

[7.62mm_fmj]

How long until we get the DENIED notification?

[CGZ]

How long until we get the DENIED notification?

They mentioned some upcoming senate bill that will change microstamping requirements or something along those lines. IIRC it has to be approved by the legislator sometime in September, and the Governor would have a month to sign it. So maybe after that.

[michigander]

Exactly. ALL CA LEOs use so-called "unsafe" handguns 24/7.
That's should be a hint that this is not an issue of safety.

Most citizens use guns without those features. Only a select few models had them before the micro stamping requirement was added.

[Ksmash01]

I'm not so crazy for the council for Renna. The Council for Boland was a much better representative of the case and facts at hand. With that said, they showed a weakness that the Berzon exploited when she kept saying "Any gun they want..." and the whole different colored gun argument.

My responses would have been "No ma'am, just any handgun, which Heller explicitly protects," and "The color of the firearm is irrelevant to this case, as the plaintifs seek to purchase handguns with and without certain features(ambidextrous controls, Electronic Optic cut slides, fitment technologies, etc.) that cannot be purchased from a retail store in CA, which the plaintiffs would do if not for CA law." How do you get a CLI on an optics cut slide?

Hell, even using the color example I would have reminded her that the Roster does not prevent color variations from being added, it keeps firearms not on the roster from being added, which the Plaintiffs would otherwise purchase if not for CA law.

Of course the briefs made these arguments, however there's a lot to be said for the way they represented their position in person. I just hope the briefs are what they use to base their decisions.

[ritter]

With that panel, it didn't really matter what Ms. Murphy said. I wouldn't be surprised if they even stayed the injunction of microstamping even though the state didn't defend it. This panel will find that one gun on the roster is more than sufficient, especially if it comes in several colors to satisfy the picky consumer. There is simply no understanding that "in common use" means just that.

[Chewy65]

Why was nothing said about the preference of some officers and others for a gun without either a CLI or a Mag locke in a firefight.

CLI's can cause jsmming and the Mag lock prefents firing a round in the chamber while swapping out magazines.

[When I got to to the Boland,those points were brought out by Attorney Murphy.]

[tenemae]

"Who doesn't want to know if the gun is loaded?"
I DON'T. Not if it interferes with milling the slide and mounting an optic. It was exasperating not having anyone point that out.

This one is clearly failing and getting appealed up.

[ritter]

"Who doesn't want to know if the gun is loaded?"

And how did we ever survive making that determination before the state-mandated LCI?

[Ksmash01]

"Who doesn't want to know if the gun is loaded?"
I DON'T. Not if it interferes with milling the slide and mounting an optic. It was exasperating not having anyone point that out.

This one is clearly failing and getting appealed up.

I do. That's why I do press-checks.

And how did we ever survive making that determination before the state-mandated LCI?

1) Treating all guns as if they are loaded/chambered until we have verified whether it is or isn't.
a) Not storing loaded firearms when they are not in use.
2) Keeping our fingers off the trigger until we intend to fire.
3) Not pointing the gun at something/someone we don't wish to destroy(Keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction)
4) not allowing unauthorized access to people who can't/won't/don't follow 1-3.