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  • curtisfong
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2009
    • 6893

    Originally posted by BeAuMaN
    It makes me ask why Bonta pushed for the emergency motion. What does Bonta know that we don't.
    IMO you are reading into this more than you have to. I think it's purely theater, to show that CA is doing something, anything, to save the children. Newsom needed to look tough, Bonta is his lackey.

    I don't think it is of any legal relevance whatsoever. It costs them nothing to file, will not have any negative repercussions, and Newsom can say CA is trying hard to save lives.

    Disclaimer: IANAL.
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    • BeAuMaN
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2015
      • 1193

      Originally posted by curtisfong
      IMO you are reading into this more than you have to. I think it's purely theater, to show that CA is doing something, anything, to save the children. Newsom needed to look tough, Bonta is his lackey.

      I don't think it is of any legal relevance whatsoever. It costs them nothing to file, will not have any negative repercussions, and Newsom can say CA is trying hard to save lives.

      Disclaimer: IANAL.
      I could totally be reading too much into it, but my sense is that the court gets annoyed when you file unnecessary motions. I could be wrong though. I imagine some litigators are given more leeway than others (like the state).

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      • curtisfong
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        • Jan 2009
        • 6893

        Originally posted by BeAuMaN
        I imagine some litigators are given more leeway than others (like the state).
        The court already has a proven track record of autonomously fixing defects in the State's activities/filings/strategy when it comes to 2A cases, without anyone having to request it.

        Given the right court makeup, the State seems to have nearly infinite leeway.
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        • rplaw
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2014
          • 1808

          Originally posted by BeAuMaN
          I could totally be reading too much into it, but my sense is that the court gets annoyed when you file unnecessary motions. I could be wrong though. I imagine some litigators are given more leeway than others (like the state).
          An annoyed court will still always decide in your favor if you have the correct ideology.

          This doesn't always mean political ideology either. I once had an appeal case where the cops invaded my client's home without a warrant, then tried to cover it up by saying welfare check because my client, standing in the kitchen cooking, was ignoring them so they (literally) broke in through the sliding glass door to verify that he was ok. And then proceeded to drag him physically outside where they questioned him about a misdemeanor DUI without reading him his Rights.

          Case law is clear, misdemeanors don't fall under the felony warrant exception from the 4A and especially not when the basis for the warrantless entry is pretextual. Court didn't care. Why? Because the ideology is to put/keep people in jail and the law be damned.

          Yeah, that really happened. It also makes you understand why 2A cases are so hard to win.
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          • abinsinia
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            • Feb 2015
            • 4119

            No movement today (as of right now), and tomorrow is a new federal holiday.

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            • bigb0886
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              • Jun 2011
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              • abinsinia
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                • Feb 2015
                • 4119

                I had the same misunderstanding .. I think the only deadline in July 4.

                I guess California requested action by June 18th.

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                • John Browning
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                  • May 2006
                  • 8088

                  If Juneteenth means that the CA DOJ can't get their emergency whatever and we get an AW repeal...I will celebrate Juneteenth.
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                  eh why bring logic into this, that makes too much sense... besides when you have bested a fool, you have accomplished nothing and he is a fool.

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                  • HibikiR
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2014
                    • 2417

                    Depends on how the 9th conducts business. The Emergency Stay requires a panel meet and make a ruling.

                    If the panel doesn't meet then there can be no ruling, so one of the theories out there is that the 18th would be the last time the panel can meet (according to their published schedule) before July 4th.

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                    • bigb0886
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                      • Jun 2011
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                      • Ishooter
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 904

                        Originally posted by John Browning
                        If Juneteenth means that the CA DOJ can't get their emergency whatever and we get an AW repeal...I will celebrate Juneteenth.
                        Lol

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                        • taperxz
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                          • Feb 2010
                          • 19395

                          Originally posted by abinsinia
                          I had the same misunderstanding .. I think the only deadline in July 4.

                          I guess California requested action by June 18th.

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                          • curtisfong
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                            • Jan 2009
                            • 6893

                            I'm very skeptical of this claim. Sidney Thomas et al have shown they're more than happy doing exactly what the DoJ wants them to do.
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                            • The Tiger
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                              • Feb 2012
                              • 1989

                              On Friday, June 18, 2021, the United States District Court, in Los Angeles, Santa Ana and Riverside, will be closed in recognition of Juneteenth National Independence Day.

                              Normal service will resume on Monday, June 21, 2021.
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                              • Bruce3
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2008
                                • 1249

                                Looks like the 21st will be the new 18th.
                                https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content...2021%2C%202021.
                                Last edited by Bruce3; 06-17-2021, 11:11 PM.

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