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  • smashycrashy
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 2999

    Originally posted by Not a Cook
    Here're are a few basic questions that I don't believe has been addressed in this thread, and I'd very much appreciate it those of you who are more learned in this area would address them for me.

    Some suggest that gold and silver are currently "undervalued" because the unit cost of production for each metal is higher than the current spot price for the respective metal.

    1st Questions: What has been the historic relationship between unit cost of production of precious metals and same-period unit spot prices? In other words, when silver's spot price was around $6/oz (which was fairly "steady" until about 2004, right?), what was the cost of silver production per ounce?

    Follow-up Questions: IF it is historically-true that cost of production was typically lower than spot price, then it follows that cost of producing an ounce of silver was less than $6 until about 2004, correct? Now I'm reading reports that suggest that the cost of producing an ounce of silver is typically north of $20/oz. Has the cost of production of precious metals really skyrocketed that significantly (from under $6/oz until 2004 to well over $20/oz today) over the last decade? If so, how?
    1) There's a chart floating around regarding avg mining price per ounce vs spot prices I believe it stopped around 2012, CPM group published it. It's not worth my time to dig it up but if you are interested and feel like digging you can find it.

    2) What publicly traded miners say the "all-in" costs are are way higher than the average price for mining the ounce across all miners. Most public traded miners are super leveraged and include certain costs that would go to zero in bankruptcy (where many are headed). There are huge miners who basically take a mine and take out everything from it, not just gold and silver. They then assign a cost to the gold/silver relative to everything else.. these miners cost for mining the gold/silver are very low (somewhere in this or another thread I referenced a miner whose avg gold per oz cost was something like $100 and they produced quite a few ounces). Using avg mining costs during times of high spot prices doesn't give a true picture as many miners will use their less productive mines (or more costly procedures) and save their productive mines for when prices drop back down.

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    • smashycrashy
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2011
      • 2999

      Gold is at/near it's floor it has bounced off before. But floors have a nasty habit of becoming ceilings if violated with volume. It could be an interesting couple of weeks, while I expect that gold should go higher from here at least temporarily.. it is just noise and the trend is downward.

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      • Cmpaycheck
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 608

        Gold is good

        Guns, gold, and groceries. That works for me.
        NRA Life Member

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        • PC9111
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 671

          The critical $1140 level that many gold bugs consider a tipping point was met / smashed.

          Time to short the yellow stuff

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          • F8ality
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2010
            • 645

            So being new to all of this and very intrigued about the prices doing what they are doing, what do you experienced silver/gold stackers suggest at a time like this

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            • wpage
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2011
              • 6071

              The time to buy is now...
              God so loved the world He gave His only Son... Believe in Him and have everlasting life.
              John 3:16

              NRA,,, Lifer

              United Air Epic Fail Video ...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99Q7pNAjvg

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              • PC9111
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2010
                • 671

                Sell , prices will continue down

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                • therealnickb
                  King- Lifetime
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 8913

                  Originally posted by k1dude
                  There's a whole lotta countries to consider that are relatively becoming more and more free as we eliminate and restrict our freedoms here.
                  Which doesn't answer the question.

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                  • Ripon83
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 6686

                    Dollar is strong since euro, China and Russia currencies suck...don't expect strong PM market any time soon
                    Remember the Mighty Midgets



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                    • therealnickb
                      King- Lifetime
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 8913

                      Originally posted by wpage
                      The time to buy is now...
                      Catch that knife!

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                      • k1dude
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • May 2009
                        • 14023

                        Originally posted by therealnickb
                        Which doesn't answer the question.
                        Those are my secrets. I did the research. If my family ever has to flee the US because Americans have become communists (which is very likely), I would hurt myself by disclosing those escape plan countries. If I published it online, Americans would swamp those countries and their borders would shut down. The line would become years if not decades long. You should be applying for and maintaining visa's now.

                        Pay attention to my use of the word 'relative'. As the US loses it's freedoms, those countries begin to appear relatively free in comparison. We are losing our freedoms at a frightening pace under Obama. You can probably kiss this country goodbye if Hillary or Sanders gets elected. The coup will be complete. The insane will have total control over the asylum and the Constitution will be a meaningless footnote in history - which is exactly what the left wants.
                        "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

                        "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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                        • therealnickb
                          King- Lifetime
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 8913

                          LOL. I'm just not sure what to say about that.

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                          • k1dude
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • May 2009
                            • 14023

                            Originally posted by therealnickb
                            LOL. I'm just not sure what to say about that.
                            Never say never. Remember, my last home country experienced the exact same sequence of political events we are seeing here now. They too had naysayers claiming it could never happen there. It did, and fast.

                            Our family feels like we're living through "Groundhog Day". Same story, different country. The names have changed, but the game is the same.
                            "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

                            "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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                            • k1dude
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • May 2009
                              • 14023

                              It looks like PM's have broken through some major resistance levels. Gold at $1132.50 and silver at $14.88. How low will it now go?
                              "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

                              "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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                              • therealnickb
                                King- Lifetime
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 8913

                                Originally posted by k1dude
                                Never say never. Remember, my last home country experienced the exact same sequence of political events we are seeing here now. They too had naysayers claiming it could never happen there. It did, and fast.

                                Our family feels like we're living through "Groundhog Day". Same story, different country. The names have changed, but the game is the same.
                                I very rarely say never. But, I'm trying to think of which democratic republic with well armed citizens turned communist.

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