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  • Buffman
    Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 246

    Originally posted by eric90503
    Thank you d-r and buffman for your knowledgeable insight. Been racking my brain on this thread topic. With so many mfg. (LBT, PIG, BEEZ, etc.) Sorry I'm still learning I don't know them all.

    Is there kind of a hierarchy of what's the best in quality? I like the idea of hardplate with a soft armor backing.
    Subjective since NIJ standards are considered minimums. Find a plate that meets your threat profile, and budget. You can spend ungodly amounts of $$ on armor. IMO if you want a level IV and it's on the NIJ 06 certified list, pick the one that matches your budget and intended use. Steel has it's place in training and ultra budget area, but it's heavy, and people are concerned about high velocity penetration. PE plates are super lightweight, but can't stop M855 rounds until about 200 yards.

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    • eric90503
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 825

      Originally posted by Buffman
      Subjective since NIJ standards are considered minimums. Find a plate that meets your threat profile, and budget. You can spend ungodly amounts of $$ on armor. IMO if you want a level IV and it's on the NIJ 06 certified list, pick the one that matches your budget and intended use. Steel has it's place in training and ultra budget area, but it's heavy, and people are concerned about high velocity penetration. PE plates are super lightweight, but can't stop M855 rounds until about 200 yards.
      I should probably look into a carrier first? I'm thinking III or IV, budget is what ever the lightest is out there. A whole lot of good your bank account will do if your done. I don't understand when people are trying to save money with AR500 only to gas out if they really needed to move.

      So, if you had to recommend a LVL III or IV armor with carrier, that was the lightest and with unlimited budget, what would it be? Nice videos btw

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      • Buffman
        Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 246

        AR500 Armor #1078 PE Level III plate:

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        • Calico1404
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2016
          • 3401

          Originally posted by eric90503
          I should probably look into a carrier first? I'm thinking III or IV, budget is what ever the lightest is out there. A whole lot of good your bank account will do if your done. I don't understand when people are trying to save money with AR500 only to gas out if they really needed to move.

          So, if you had to recommend a LVL III or IV armor with carrier, that was the lightest and with unlimited budget, what would it be? Nice videos btw
          Dfndr Armor only for me.

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          • Buffman
            Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 246

            Originally posted by eric90503
            I should probably look into a carrier first? I'm thinking III or IV, budget is what ever the lightest is out there. A whole lot of good your bank account will do if your done. I don't understand when people are trying to save money with AR500 only to gas out if they really needed to move.

            So, if you had to recommend a LVL III or IV armor with carrier, that was the lightest and with unlimited budget, what would it be? Nice videos btw
            I've only tested a few of the many manufacturers, but HESCO, and RMA make very nice Level IV models. I just tested AR500 Armor's Level III PE plate which is an RMA re-brand

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            • Buffman
              Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 246

              Originally posted by Calico1404
              Dfndr Armor only for me.
              They sure do charge a LOT of money for their plates, considering only one of their Level III Esapi's is NIJ 06 certified. The rest are only tested in compliance with NIJ 04. They are very lightweight, but not sure what makes them worth the $$$

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              • BobaChris
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2017
                • 53

                I know d-r recommends midwest armor. From my own research those appear to be the top of the line accessible to civilians. I'm looking into picking up a set of their FM4 plates for my Plateminus V2 carrier.
                I have a set of Spartan armor in my regular Plateminus, but contemplating some of the FM3 plates for it instead. Waiting to see if midwest has any sales coming up.
                I also need to pick up some of d-r's plate backers and spall guards though. Any thoughts on the midwest armor, buff?

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                • Buffman
                  Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 246

                  I have never tested them, but I don't believe they manufacture their own Armor. I believe LTC and Hesco does, but that could only be a few models. Those two are very trusted brands..

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                  • JDay
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 19393

                    Ar500 has their new Testudo Gen 2 carrier on sale for $175 with level 3 steel plates. For an additional $99 you can upgrade that to level 4 ceramic.

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                    Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                    The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                    • JDay
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19393

                      Originally posted by Buffman
                      AR500 Armor #1078 PE Level III plate:
                      If you're going to get these new lightweight plates I'd go with a different vendor that has the ones that will stop M855.

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                      Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                      The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                      • JDay
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 19393

                        Originally posted by eric90503
                        I should probably look into a carrier first? I'm thinking III or IV, budget is what ever the lightest is out there. A whole lot of good your bank account will do if your done. I don't understand when people are trying to save money with AR500 only to gas out if they really needed to move.

                        So, if you had to recommend a LVL III or IV armor with carrier, that was the lightest and with unlimited budget, what would it be? Nice videos btw
                        http://dkxarmor.com/m12-series.php

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                        Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                        The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                        • vg247
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 1071

                          Originally posted by JDay
                          If you're going to get these new lightweight plates I'd go with a different vendor that has the ones that will stop M855.

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                          • JDay
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19393

                            See the link above. They're not cheap though. Otherwise AR500 has a great sale going on right now. You can add level 4 ceramic plates to their Veritas and Testudo Gen 2 carriers for $99 and be under $300 with shipping. If you get the Veritas add the cummerbund.

                            Browse our latest sales, promotions, and exclusive offers on armor gear


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                            Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                            The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                            • vg247
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 1071

                              Originally posted by JDay
                              See the link above. They're not cheap though. Otherwise AR500 has a great sale going on right now. You can add level 4 ceramic plates to their Veritas and Testudo Gen 2 carriers for $99 and be under $300 with shipping. If you get the Veritas add the cummerbund.

                              Browse our latest sales, promotions, and exclusive offers on armor gear


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                              • JDay
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 19393

                                Then the DKX M12 is probably exactly what you are looking for. They'll likely be the next level 4 plates that I get as well since they are lightweight, buoyant and can take multiple hits without compromising the ARMOR. At around $500/plate for the 10x12 or $650 for the 11x14 they aren't cheap but the weight savings and durability are well worth it.






                                Last edited by JDay; 12-17-2017, 10:44 PM.
                                Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                                The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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