BODY ARMOR: The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly

[Steve1968LS2]

I would say so yes. I would say 6 fair hits on the plate with M80 ball would produce larger than average backface, but would be within specification if an actual NIJ lab tested. I just wish more places would openly post their NIJ lab results so I can get a confirmation on what my backface results look like compared to theirs.

Seems like a solid deal for $114

Not maybe to go to war with.. but for a citizen "home defense" deal they seem like a good bang for the buck.. If I'm taking more than a couple of rounds then I have bigger problems in play. ha

[Steve1968LS2]

Oh.. if you use BUYANDSAVE at LAPG you get 15% off the sale price.. of it's just around $100 per plate

[Buffman]

Your link is to poly plates AFAIK... do you think these are made my LongFri too? Here are some other III+ plates that are composite like my level IV plates.

https://botach.com/battle-steel-leve...-shooters-cut/

Likely yes, but that's the troublesome thing at times, sellers do not want to reveal the manufacturer of their plates. I've been trying to get a hold of Botach for the last 6 months to test their III+ plate for M855AP protection since they claim PE, but they'd have to be using ceramic for M855 protection

[Master_Prestige]

https://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/tactical-gear/armor/special-threat-ceramic-plate-prod109614.aspx

Special threat plates in stock.
Cover m80,m855,m193
Triple curve 0.6in and 6 pounds.
Great option from a great armor manufacturer

[DrjonesUSA]

Not maybe to go to war with.. but for a citizen "home defense" deal they seem like a good bang for the buck.. If I'm taking more than a couple of rounds then I have bigger problems in play. ha

No offense man, and I'm NOT ragging on you / calling you out specifically, but I just don't understand this mindset & mentality which is VERY prevalent in the gun community, sadly.

Aren't we trying to give ourselves as many advantages as possible?

We Train.

We are in condition Yellow always.

We presumably buy nice guns & gear, are very familiar with their effective use and train with them somewhat regularly.

Why would you NOT want a plate that could take 100 direct hits and still keep protecting you?

Why would you NOT want a 30 round magazine instead of 5 rounds?
Or 10, 10 round mags, or 15, 30 round mags, or just as much danged ammo & mags as you can afford?

Why would you NOT want every single advantage available to you in any fight?

My honest to God, serious goal is to live to be 120 years old.

Isn't that what you want?

I want every single advantage possible so that I can live to 120 (hell, older if I can but 120 minimum!) to enjoy the hell out of my wife & kids and guns.

Clint Smith states it very succinctly in this video here:




This mentality of "well if I need more than 1 magazine / if I take more than 1 round to the plate" etc etc, then I've got bigger problems, etc.

Yes.

If you need more than one mag, more than 5 or 30 or 60 rounds; YES, you are probably in a bad way.

Don't you WANT to try to SURVIVE though?

Don't you WANT to live to spend more time with your wife & kids and friends and tell the story of how you succesfully WON that fight?

People with this mentality, IMO, like Clint states, seem to have the "excited to die" mindset instead of determined to do everything possible to LIVE and WIN the fight.

What if it's that 31st round that ends the fight in your favor?

What if it's that 5th round your plate STOPS that is the last one that saves your life?

Etc. etc. etc.


I just.......don't.......get it..........






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[Steve1968LS2]

No offense man, and I'm NOT ragging on you / calling you out specifically, but I just don't understand this mindset & mentality which is VERY prevalent in the gun community, sadly.

Aren't we trying to give ourselves as many advantages as possible?

We Train.

We are in condition Yellow always.

We presumably buy nice guns & gear, are very familiar with their effective use and train with them somewhat regularly.

Why would you NOT want a plate that could take 100 direct hits and still keep protecting you?

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I suppose you could say that about anything... Sure, I would want the most top shelf gear made.. the best NVG stuff.. etc.

But there's that thing called reality.. both in terms of odds and cost.

There's a very small chance I will ever be taking rounds. If I'm taking 100s of rounds to my chest I imagine I'm pretty f'd no matter what I bought. If my ceramic can can take 2-3 hits that will work.. why? Because chances are that any more rounds than that and they will walk off the plate anyways.

If I want a bunch of hits then steel armor is good, and I have that but it's heavy.. the ceramic is lighter but takes fewer hits.. it's a trade off based on the situation.

I merely stated that the LAPG stuff seemed like a solid deal for the money.

To be honest the number one threat any of us face is a stray round hitting us at the range or when shooting in the BLM..

If I was overspending on any piece of gear it would be NV.. then you can more easily avoid being shot

And no offense taken.. but less expensive armor in your carrier > the best armor money can buy that you're saving up for .. ha

[crufflers]

Seems like a solid deal for $114

Not maybe to go to war with.. but for a citizen "home defense" deal they seem like a good bang for the buck.. If I'm taking more than a couple of rounds then I have bigger problems in play. ha

[DrjonesUSA]

I suppose you could say that about anything... Sure, I would want the most top shelf gear made.. the best NVG stuff.. etc.

But there's that thing called reality.. both in terms of odds and cost.

There's a very small chance I will ever be taking rounds. If I'm taking 100s of rounds to my chest I imagine I'm pretty f'd no matter what I bought. If my ceramic can can take 2-3 hits that will work.. why? Because chances are that any more rounds than that and they will walk off the plate anyways.

If I want a bunch of hits then steel armor is good, and I have that but it's heavy.. the ceramic is lighter but takes fewer hits.. it's a trade off based on the situation.

I merely stated that the LAPG stuff seemed like a solid deal for the money.

To be honest the number one threat any of us face is a stray round hitting us at the range or when shooting in the BLM..

If I was overspending on any piece of gear it would be NV.. then you can more easily avoid being shot

And no offense taken.. but less expensive armor in your carrier > the best armor money can buy that you're saving up for .. ha

Thanks for not taking offense.


Like I said, I'm definintely NOT singling you out; it's just a pretty prevalent mentality I've long seen in our community.

And you are right, you make good points, HOWEVER; it's not purely about cost.

I'm not saying that "you don't value your life unless you get a KAC or Salient or $2k armor."


All I'm saying is that far too often I see people say stuff kind of like;

- "I only keep 2 home / self defense mags loaded because if I need more than 2 mags, I'm screwed anyway & not gonna survive!!"

- "I'm gonna buy ceramic plates even though they only take 6 rounds before failure vs steel that takes 100+, because if I ever take more than 6 rounds I'm gonna die anyway!"

- "I only keep one home / self-defense gun at the ready because if I ever need more than one gun, I'm gonna die anyway!"


"I only carry a .380 because if I ever need a bigger gun, it's real SHTF and I'm probably screwed anyway!"


Etc. etc.

Like; if you have 6 guns, it makes no sense to NOT have at least 2-3 of them stored securely, safely, cleaned, loaded, and ready to rock.

If you have 15 magazines, it makes no sense and there is no reason to NOT keep them ALL loaded at all times.

If nothing else, it makes range trips that much more pleasurable when you can just grab a bunch of loaded mags & start plinking.


Especially in today's world of literal riotous mobs roaming the streets and making way into the suburbs (McCloskeys + threats of more like that), we truly don't know what we could face, but going into any situation with a mentality & mindset of "well if I'm outnumbered or outgunned, I'm dead anyway so who cares", you have lost the fight before it's even started.

Does that make sense?

It's just a very nihilistic, defeatist mentality.


It's NOT a pure dollars / economic argument; more of; if you have the gear in your posession, why would you NOT keep it stored so that it's ready to grab & go *just in case.(*

It's not gonna cost you anything, but if you do not keep it at the ready, perhaps it WILL cost you your life.

Anyway...... JMO....





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[Master_Prestige]

HESCO L210 in stock. Shipping now. No tax. Will sell out extremely fast

https://www.trex-arms.com/store/Hesco-L210-Special-Threat-Plate-Set/

[toiletfighter]

HESCO L210 in stock. Shipping now. No tax. Will sell out extremely fast

https://www.trex-arms.com/store/Hesc...eat-Plate-Set/

Just ordered a set, thanks for the heads up. Stil in stock as of 11:55am...

[Master_Prestige]

Just ordered a set, thanks for the heads up. Stil in stock as of 11:55am...

Nice ! You will be very satisfied.

[Neil McCauley]

any deals on 11x14 plates for phat ppl?

[Hornetsnest]

any deals on 11x14 plates for phat ppl?

You know I was about to call you out on implying that 11x14 was for phat guys, but after I put down the bag of reeses peanutbutter cups I was snacking on, and looking down at my quarantine belly......nevermind.

[Steve1968LS2]

Thanks for not taking offense.

It's NOT a pure dollars / economic argument; more of; if you have the gear in your posession, why would you NOT keep it stored so that it's ready to grab & go *just in case.(*

It's not gonna cost you anything, but if you do not keep it at the ready, perhaps it WILL cost you your life.

Anyway...... JMO....
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If it makes you feel better I have a fully prepped chest rig hanging on the side of my safe with 120 rnds of 62 grn green tip and three pistol mags locked and ready to rock..

And several guns in the safe, and around the house ready to go.. so I do get what you mean.

I only carry my .380 when I'm wearing shorts or something that makes a larger gun not practical..

Life is compromises..

[toiletfighter]

Nice ! You will be very satisfied.