Can we Prevent 2nd Civil War ?

[dustoff31]

I do think that a 2nd Civil war is in our future, but not in my lifetime, or for the reasons that the writer has listed.

There is one major demographic that is on the decline in the United States due to an alarmingly low birth rate. It is so near the point of no return that there is little chance of its survival.

There are two major demographics that are on the rise due to very high birth rates. These demos will fight for control of this country in about 100 years or so. The only question is if the fight will be political or military.

Given the current level of violence and mistrust exhibited between these two groups, it is difficult to see a peaceful resolution to their differences.


There are similar changes on the horizon in Europe, but the demographic groups there are based on religion rather than race. The current majority demo will also fall much more quickly, as they have already reached the point of no return.


I hope that no one takes these comments as racially or culturally biased, as this is not my intent. There are just some things that will happen, whether we are politically correct or not.

Way back when, I read a book entitled "Civil War II". The premise of the book is pretty much what you mention here. As you say there are some controversial points raised, and a lot of speculation, of course. But the facts laid out are pretty much undisputable.

I think the book is out of print now, but I suppose it it can still be found if one really wants too find it.

[NotEnufGarage]

In 1861 the population of the United States was 31.5 million - by the end of the war, somewhere in the range of 3.25 to 4 million people served in one or the other of the belligerent camps. About one in ten who served were injured. Roughly 620,000 lost their lives in battle or to disease. Whole swaths of the country were ruined.

Today we have a population of about 310 million. Imagine what living in a war-torn United States with similar percentages of men under arms -possibly more, since it is likely women would be accepted as fully-vested combatants. We'd have, at a minimum, 30 MILLION people under arms, savaging each other with weapons whose range and lethality would make the bloodbath of the first civil war look like flag football in comparison. Even if it stayed conventional (and it might not), you'd have a slow-burn apocalypse: anyone could hit anyone anywhere, food and water shortages in some places, power outages, depleted uranium sprinkled across the countryside . . . non-combatants might or might not be safe regardless of where they lived.

So, if we managed to kill 620,000 of our compatriots 150 years ago (about 2 percent of the total population), figure we'd be good for about ten times that now. Six million. Maybe less wounded and more KIA. You'd definitely lose people you knew. Recovering from it would take decades, since we no longer have an expanding frontier full of untapped resources to exploit. We're stuck within our own borders unless we go Viking on everyone else. America would never be the same place again. We'd have been weak and inwardly turned, and everyone we normallykeep in check would go hog wild out while we were distracted. More countries would go nuke, either out of ambition or out of fear.

The aftermath would suck. Nothing would really be decided. The losing side would go underground, which would either mean the formation of a true police state in response (and don't kid yourself into thinking it would be any different if conservatives won - they probably would), or a festering wound that would bleed and weaken the nation again, later.

And none of this factors in the nastiness of some recent political developments - mere bluster and economics motivated the South to take the plunge, not any real hatred of Northerners. That is not the case with many of the disputes that take place along political fault lines now. There is real fear and fury at work. I also see a calculated effort to dehumanize progressives and liberals - illegals too - that looks to me a little like what went on all over Europe between the wars. Both the communists and the fascists did it. It made the wet work that came later much easier to get people to sign on for.

We have to prevent another Civil War. We need to work hard to work out our differences, think about the many things we take for granted. We need to remember how strong we are as a nation now - and how terrible it would be to lose that strength.

Avoiding a bloodbath is cheaper, and there's less annoying crying. Plus I really like my city and it's about 90% wood, and I know a lot of conservatives who've got matches and motivation to spare when it comes to San Francisco . . .

I don't think your numbers hold true and here's why;

The Next Civil War, if there is one, will not be over territory or be waged between states. It will be the Country Folk and Suburbanites versus the City Dwellers. It is the City Dwellers who have pushed the agenda to restrict freedoms to control their unruly mobs (welfare class, illegals, etc.) at the expense of the Suburbanites and Country Folk. They dominate the political arena, or at least attempt to, and push their policies of high taxation, political correctness and general dependence on government on all of us, with those in the suburbs and country picking up the tab in the form of ever higher taxes.

Those in the suburbs basically just want to be left alone, but with cities, counties and states nearing bankruptcy, it will only take small cuts to the social welfare programs to incite either more brazen criminal activity moving out of the inner city to the suburbs or outright rioting and looting of the inner cities to start the whole ball rolling. Imagine at first the neighborhood watch going armed, shooting at any car rolling down their street full of people they don't recognize or who have the wrong skin color for the neighborhood. Next will come defacto gated communities, where feasible, with armed checkpoints to enter. At what point does that graduate to turning parts of the cities into walled ghettos to keep the insurrectionists confined to "their area"?

My point is, it won't neccessiraly be armed group against armed group. It'll be more of an individual challenging another individual that "you just don't belong here". The yuppie couple that decides to take a drive in the country to get away from the mess they turned their own city into might find themselve on the side of the road surrounded by 4x4's full of bubba's with weapons. The black or latino in that situation might not get away with just an extended uncomfortable situation that they drive away from (back to where they came from, less their valuables) rather they'll only be memorialized by an empty car on the side of the road, if that.

It will be those who have foregone the principals of the American Dream that start the Next Civil War. We've seen their reaction before, after the Rodney King verdict, after a major sports victory (or loss), and at other times. They destroy their own environs. Once those are trashed, where do you think they'll go?

[NotEnufGarage]

Interestingly, two of the reasons listed in the article posted by the OP have racist currents at their souls. Both Gun Control and the Pro Abortion have major anti-black currents at their very core. Many gun control laws on the books today can be traced to racial situations (Reconstruction, Black Panthers) and it's well documented that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was very racist in her views and desires for the organization.

[RCJeeper]

I'm a prepper, but this thread is whack.


Civil war??? Please . . . Americans are by and large, fat and happy. A few are POed about some percieved injury, but usually that all changes every 4 or 8 years.

It won't be civil war as much as a few fringers would like it to be.

[Turk]

The country is more divided than any time in recent history and the division is growing. The question is how long and can the differences be mended ?
Check this sh$t out :
They don't even try to hide it anymore :

http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2011/05/06/seiu-drops-mask-goes-full-commie/

[Ripon83]

The group in AZ wants to divide the state because the conservates have more control and they want open borders, and democratic senators. I think we should just have them leave the country and let them form their own liberal union....open borders, lots of taxes, nanny state.....let them enjoy the social experiment...I'm sure if they grant an exemption George Soros will take up residence there.

[Joewy]

They cant do that because they need the hard working tax paying conservatives to pay the bill.

[Turk]

Do you like the press it's not getting ? If it was a conservative group it would be plastered everywhere ............mean-ol-conservatives

I have a friend who just bought a house over there . The funny thing is he said the people that have been there forever are pissed becuase a crap load of liberlas from Commifornia are moving in and trying to change things.

[Turk]

I really like the Smash Capitalism poster ...... Idiots

[Joewy]

Do you like the press it's not getting ? If it was a conservative group it would be plastered everywhere ............mean-ol-conservatives

I have a friend who just bought a house over there . The funny thing is he said the people that have been there forever are pissed becuase a crap load of liberlas from Commifornia are moving in and trying to change things.

We have the same problem here in Wyoming. People from California, New Jersey, New York and Chicago. They move in and it doesent take them long to try to start changing things...
Alot of them really think that they are conservative but Conservative California is not Conservative.
This woman and her husband showed up a few years ago in their M-class and BMW looking for a 100 acres of land to build a house on. They finally bought a place and started to build a house next to the river. Everyone told them it wasent a good place to build. But she built anyways. When spring came her house suffered a lot of damage from flooding. She went to the county council demanding action and they just shook their heads. tOLD HER IT WAS HER LAND. Not theirs.
So she ran for County commisionar the next year and was suprised that she won. (The reality is that no one wants those jobs) So she got the job and started making all sorts of plans about what she was going to change. First measure was Zoning.
About 1000 people showed up for the meeting and she started looking around and noticed that many people had guns. She called the Sherriff. He showed up and asked her what she wanted and she said she wanted hime there if there was any trouble. So he sat down. Then she told everyone that whoever had a gun was asked to leave the meeting. No one moved. Some giggling. Then she called the sherriff and told him to get the armed people out of her meeting room. He said that he couldnt do it because it was the peoples room and their right to be armed. She about had a stroke on stage there then left. Said she wouldnt conduct another meeting untill the issue was resolved.

People here take their rights seriously. Dont let anyone take them away.

[Krak]

We have the same problem here in Wyoming. People from California, New Jersey, New York and Chicago. They move in and it doesent take them long to try to start changing things...
Alot of them really think that they are conservative but Conservative California is not Conservative.
This woman and her husband showed up a few years ago in their M-class and BMW looking for a 100 acres of land to build a house on. They finally bought a place and started to build a house next to the river. Everyone told them it wasent a good place to build. But she built anyways. When spring came her house suffered a lot of damage from flooding. She went to the county council demanding action and they just shook their heads. tOLD HER IT WAS HER LAND. Not theirs.
So she ran for County commisionar the next year and was suprised that she won. (The reality is that no one wants those jobs) So she got the job and started making all sorts of plans about what she was going to change. First measure was Zoning.
About 1000 people showed up for the meeting and she started looking around and noticed that many people had guns. She called the Sherriff. He showed up and asked her what she wanted and she said she wanted hime there if there was any trouble. So he sat down. Then she told everyone that whoever had a gun was asked to leave the meeting. No one moved. Some giggling. Then she called the sherriff and told him to get the armed people out of her meeting room. He said that he couldnt do it because it was the peoples room and their right to be armed. She about had a stroke on stage there then left. Said she wouldnt conduct another meeting untill the issue was resolved.

People here take their rights seriously. Dont let anyone take them away.

Looks like I need to move to Wyoming

[dogtrainer]

Future/current demographics will be important

Bert was hinting at the coming changes. The White American population is in steep decline (they are not replacing themselves via birth rate) while the Hispanic (mostly Mexican) American population is in growth overdrive (large family size).

The question is: Would you rather be led by a minority majority that is mostly educated or mostly uneducated? Whichever way it goes on the education front your government will be run by mostly Hispanic Americans.

[CessnaDriver]

It think it's a bit of a cold civil war right now.

[HUTCH 7.62]

Bert was hinting at the coming changes. The White American population is in steep decline (they are not replacing themselves via birth rate) while the Hispanic (mostly Mexican) American population is in growth overdrive (large family size).

The question is: Would you rather be led by a minority majority that is mostly educated or mostly uneducated? Whichever way it goes on the education front your government will be run by mostly Hispanic Americans.

We can change this tide by regulating immigration and inducing severe penalties to company's or individuals who hire illegals

[bubbapug1]

No, the war will start soon enough. Its going to be about taxes, and as the rich say, you can always hire 50% of the poor to kill the other 50%.

We don't need to worry about sicialism, we need to worry about an oligarchy.

If your net worth is less than $10,000,000.00 your middle class, and they are the ones who eventually will get sqeezed out of existance