Nodak receivers?

[Richard Erichsen]

How would it be better?

-MRA

As good or better because the shop does very high quality HT work and are very particular about their process. In other words, very consistent. There have been reports of NoDak's that were either too hard or too soft. Some of the NoDaks have an out of spec ejector that is too short which means either returning it/exchanging it or fixing it yourself by welding on steel, reshaping it, case hardening and then retempering.

With a receiver you make, you can more tightly control dimensions and make sure everything is complete/welded/drilled and reamed before it gets HT'd. Anything produced in volumes that are still profitable won't get individual QC at any step. Spot checks at random are about the most they would be able to manage.

R

[Gowking]

Huh, I'll have to look arpound but I've never heard those complaints about NoDak. Is this an ongoing issue or something from the past?

-MRA

[Gowking]

If you order the receiver directly from NoDak Spud my understanding is since they are out of CA you aren't required to pay tax. Just the FFL's fee for accepting the rifle(if they're charging you $100 for this you need a new FFL), $25 DROS, and maximum $10 storage fee to the FFL.

The only way that would be legally correct is if the FFL was paying the sales tax instead of passing it on to the end customer. See this thread for an explanation:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=366781

As for a storage fee I don't charge one but is there really a cap at $10 or are you saying that in your opinion $10 is the most a dealer should charge?

-MRA

[biglou]

I used a home FFL to transfer mine. It's been a couple of years but I don't remember paying more than $30.00 transfer fee plus dros & tax. Just look around. No complaints about my NDS3 either.

[tujungatoes]

The only way that would be legally correct is if the FFL was paying the sales tax instead of passing it on to the end customer. See this thread for an explanation:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=366781

As for a storage fee I don't charge one but is there really a cap at $10 or are you saying that in your opinion $10 is the most a dealer should charge?

-MRA

That thread is a good read. You're absolutely right about the tax issue.

I = Fail. Double fail in this case actually, because I got the $10 PPT max charge confused in there.

Please proceed to at me.

[wash]

I know there are some kitchen table FFLs who would charge dealer cost plus DROS on transfers.

Super cheap if you buy multiples.

Not every FFL does this and I've heard DOJ is pushing them to collect sales tax even on guns/receivers purchased out of state.

Any way, look for a kitchen table FFL with reasonable rates and you can do fairly well if you buy a bunch of receivers at a time.

As far as good/better/best, it is fully possible that NDS is doing good quality control at every step. I briefly did QC for a production CNC machine shop on small RF electronics enclosures that were selling for much less than an NDS AK receiver and I did critical dimension checks in several places on each and every one.

I'm not going to say NDS does that but they could if they wanted to.

[rikitikijave]

Great replies guys, thanks. On a separate note: Please guide me to some kitchen table FFL's if any come to mind.

[Richard Erichsen]

Huh, I'll have to look arpound but I've never heard those complaints about NoDak. Is this an ongoing issue or something from the past?

-MRA

There is no way to be sure from the relatively few reports, but you'll find several here and over on AKfiles. The main reason the entire receivers are heat treated in the first place is because it was easier to batch a hundred receivers into an industrial sized furnace in two heating cycles with a quench in the middle than to individually quench/temper just the ejector and axis pin holes. The HT can then be used as a product differentiator that the company's marketing can latch on to since most receivers are just folded and left in their annealed state.

I'm convinced a careful home builder can do better work dimensionally (especially at the ejector) but if they want a full receiver HT a good shop will do a better job than trying to do it cave man style in the open air without temperature controls. I've had several receivers HT'd from the same shop and won't use anyone else at this point.

R

[bigthaiboy]

About 4 years ago, I bought a NDS-3 from Ammo Bros, and it was $99, plus tax and DROS. It's been about that length of time since I've seen any NDS receivers in there on display. Order more than one receiver from NDS, as most FFLs discount the transfer fees for addition long guns / receivers when done on the same DROS, eg. $50 for the first and $20 for each additional. Then you only pay the one $25 DROS fee. I usually order 3 or 4 receivers from NDS then DROS then pay one discounted transfer fee and one DROS fee.

[secret.asian.man]

There are FFL's that will just charge the DROS fee, you have to look.

i know of one. PM me if you are local or willing to make the drive.

[big ron]

is nodak in CA. ?

[big ron]

About 4 years ago, I bought a NDS-3 from Ammo Bros, and it was $99, plus tax and DROS. It's been about that length of time since I've seen any NDS receivers in there on display. Order more than one receiver from NDS, as most FFLs discount the transfer fees for addition long guns / receivers when done on the same DROS, eg. $50 for the first and $20 for each additional. Then you only pay the one $25 DROS fee. I usually order 3 or 4 receivers from NDS then DROS then pay one discounted transfer fee and one DROS fee.

who do you use to do your transfers?