700 Bolt Handle Welding

[kcstott]

The Remington 700 is the most popular action and the most copied action in the world due to marketing and efficiency of manufacture. Winchester lost out due to bad management, Remington was soon to follow for the same reason. Just because it sold high numbers doesn't mean it can't be made better. If that was true why is there such a great industry of custom actions.
As to the numbers. Pick up an action and look at it. you can see the lack of extraction, the cam surfaces do not touch each other until the last 20-30% of the cam surface. as for actual measurements I don't remember you commissioning a job from me. My data is for me an my customers. I share that kind of info with very few trusted friends.

[ar15barrels]

I like to see at least 0.035" to 0.040" of primary extraction travel.
Most unmolested factory 700's have around 0.020" to 0.025" which is just enough to pop the fired case free reliably.
Some come will less than 0.015" and those definitely need help as the bolt handle will often make it all the way to the stop and the fired case is still not released from the chamber.
You could move the bolt handle forward to 0.010" clearance on the bolt handle root cut and attain around 0.050" or more of primary extraction travel on most 700 actions and they run much nicer when that is done.

[fish45]

The Remington 700 is the most popular action and the most copied action in the world due to marketing and efficiency of manufacture. Winchester lost out due to bad management, Remington was soon to follow for the same reason. Just because it sold high numbers doesn't mean it can't be made better. If that was true why is there such a great industry of custom actions.
As to the numbers. Pick up an action and look at it. you can see the lack of extraction, the cam surfaces do not touch each other until the last 20-30% of the cam surface. as for actual measurements I don't remember you commissioning a job from me. My data is for me an my customers. I share that kind of info with very few trusted friends.

[fish45]

I like to see at least 0.035" to 0.040" of primary extraction travel.
Most unmolested factory 700's have around 0.020" to 0.025" which is just enough to pop the fired case free reliably.
Some come will less than 0.015" and those definitely need help as the bolt handle will often make it all the way to the stop and the fired case is still not released from the chamber.
You could move the bolt handle forward to 0.010" clearance on the bolt handle root cut and attain around 0.050" or more of primary extraction travel on most 700 actions and they run much nicer when that is done.

[kcstott]

Lmao yea, ok. Your data is for you and your customers. That means you don’t know. It’s not trade secret information.

Feel free to look up what a rhetorical question is. I’ll just leave it here for you instead: (of a question) asked in order to produce an effect or to make a statement rather than to elicit information.

I have no need to justify anything i do. Especially to you. I never said it's trade secret. But why should I bother with trying to prove anything to someone that constantly says i'm wrong? Whats to be gained? Why should i waste my time digging through my notes just to have you cherry pick something else you don't like? no thanks.

[fish45]

I have no need to justify anything i do. Especially to you. I never said it's trade secret. But why should I bother with trying to prove anything to someone that constantly says i'm wrong? Whats to be gained? Why should i waste my time digging through my notes just to have you cherry pick something else you don't like? no thanks.

Seems like the kettle is calling the pot black

[kcstott]

Seems like the kettle is calling the pot black

Keep trolling. I won't feed you.

[fish45]

Keep trolling. I won't feed you.

[kcstott]

Thats your opinion and you've yet to figure that out yet.

[fish45]

Thats your opinion and you've yet to figure that out yet.

[kcstott]

It’s my opinion that you claimed to be a professional and that this is a discussion forum… yea, ok

That was your assumption.

While i have done lots of gun work in my garage I never said I was a Professional, Licensed Gunsmith. You jumped to that conclusion.

I'm am merely a guy that started life in a trade school then became a machinist then a tool maker. I also have industrial process, motor, and load handling control experience. A 32 year current history of fixing things that no one else dared take apart. I have a full accompaniment of machine tools in my garage that I put to use to work on various projects, Some for money, most are not.
Take that for what you will i do not care. But if you're going to sit there and try to convince me that my "enough" is less than your "enough" and that is somehow wrong, I don't really care. I said what I said and I stand by it. Remington's 700 have little to no cam extraction. while you may feel it is enough I feel it is not. Thats my opinion, thats my experience, and as stated before if you don't like there is a rope waiting on you to attempt to urinate up it. or if you don't understand that one, you may fornicate with the horse with which you ride.

[fish45]

That was your assumption.

While i have done lots of gun work in my garage I never said I was a Professional, Licensed Gunsmith. You jumped to that conclusion.

My data is for me an my customers.

[smoothy8500]

Have we figured out who's is bigger?

[kcstott]

Now we have to go down the road of what your opinion of a paid professional is?

You can be paid to do a lot of thing and never be a professional.
Yes I had customers, for many years I had customers. I don't have customers anymore.

Smoothy. I'm pretty sure I'm fatter if that helps