700 Bolt Handle Welding

[kendog4570]

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And yes Kendog he can be a handful over the phone. I sent him a fitted bolt with zero clearance thinking he would measure it up and I would lap it in only to have him reject the job and send me a nasty letter.
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About the same here. Sent 3 Mauser bolts, with clear instructions and pictures from his website. Returned as sent with same nasty letter. Also spent a time or two on the phone with him. That was an experience.

Lets just say his Rem work is top notch, his customer relations... not so much...

[kcstott]

About the same here. Sent 3 Mauser bolts, with clear instructions and pictures from his website. Returned as sent with same nasty letter. Also spent a time or two on the phone with him. That was an experience.

Lets just say his Rem work is top notch, his customer relations... not so much...

[pohorsky]

Every tradesman does. I've ran across tons of them that were great skilled workers and if they were half as skilled in running a business as doing their trade they'd be miles ahead.

[LynnJr]

He sets them up at 0.008 for field use and if you true them up he tightens them up more.
Mine are on the way back already.

[LynnJr]

Actions are back and smooth as glass.

[fish45]

Well call it what you like. No I do not change geometry on the action itself. The bolt and action are timed and tuned as a unit. You could say the same thing about blueprinting an action, Few really do check everything before they make a cut. so they have no clue where they started or what they did is actually going to make a difference.

Using non industry standard terms is part of what I'm getting at... They're used for a reason.

Relative to action truing cutting the lugs on the bolt and receiver "make primary extraction worse". However it doesn't mean its an epidemic problem like everyone's making it out to be.

[fish45]

Primary extraction timing is the interface between the primary extraction cam on the bolt and the camming surface on the action.
You move the bolt handle forward/backward as well in rotation around the bolt to set the timing.

The point I'm making is standard terms are used for a reason.

[ar15barrels]

The point I'm making is standard terms are used for a reason.

Without calling out specifically which terms you claim I may be misusing, I have no idea what you are talking about.

[kcstott]

Using non industry standard terms is part of what I'm getting at... They're used for a reason.

Relative to action truing cutting the lugs on the bolt and receiver "make primary extraction worse". However it doesn't mean its an epidemic problem like everyone's making it out to be.

You can misconstrue what I'm saying all you like, but you're not the one in my garage turning handles or running the welder. I never said a thing about bolt and action lugs having a thing to do with primary extraction. Now you're just Making crap up.
I said a factory Remington 700 will be lucky if it has any cam extraction, Meaning primary. I've handled a more than a few 700 actions in my time and every one of them had extraction timing issues. Some worse than others but all had issues. They also have a ton of cock on closing too. But what do you expect for a rifle made for the masses?

[fish45]

Without calling out specifically which terms you claim I may be misusing, I have no idea what you are talking about.

[fish45]

You can misconstrue what I'm saying all you like, but you're not the one in my garage turning handles or running the welder. I never said a thing about bolt and action lugs having a thing to do with primary extraction. Now you're just Making crap up.
I said a factory Remington 700 will be lucky if it has any cam extraction, Meaning primary. I've handled a more than a few 700 actions in my time and every one of them had extraction timing issues. Some worse than others but all had issues. They also have a ton of cock on closing too. But what do you expect for a rifle made for the masses?

Well call it what you like. No I do not change geometry on the action itself. The bolt and action are timed and tuned as a unit. You could say the same thing about blueprinting an action, Few really do check everything before they make a cut. so they have no clue where they started or what they did is actually going to make a difference.

I never said a thing about bolt and action lugs having a thing to do with primary extraction. Now you're just Making crap up.

[kcstott]

Now you're sounding like Guffey, you're splitting hairs.

So do you fit an action to the barrel or the barrel to the action?
So if a guy wants a trigger job done should I tell him I can but I wouldn't be touching the trigger as all the feel is in the sear engagement and springs?
But you say Blueprint an action. and I know of only a handfull of gun cranks that actually measure and document BEFORE they make a cut. yet every other jack weed that cleans up an action is by your definition "Blue printing"

You know you'd make better use of your time in the attempt to urinate up a rope.

[kcstott]

Well how many 700's have you worked on?? lets start there. Now lets get one thing straight what I see as unsatisfactory cam extraction may not be what you think is unsatisfactory cam extraction. it's the good, better, best thing it's all ambiguous. and I have proof of consumer accepted ambiguity. I give you the AMF Harley self depleting oil issues. it sucked, it was a manufacturing defect, yet it was accepted by thousands of customers and the factory couldn't care less. So when I say a Rem 700 has little to no cam extraction I mean it. what's my definition of "little"? apparently that's your definition of good enough.

So how you doing on the rope trick?? You got that figured out yet?

[fish45]

Now you're sounding like Guffey, you're splitting hairs.

So do you fit an action to the barrel or the barrel to the action?
So if a guy wants a trigger job done should I tell him I can but I wouldn't be touching the trigger as all the feel is in the sear engagement and springs?
But you say Blueprint an action. and I know of only a handfull of gun cranks that actually measure and document BEFORE they make a cut. yet every other jack weed that cleans up an action is by your definition "Blue printing"

You know you'd make better use of your time in the attempt to urinate up a rope.

[fish45]

Well how many 700's have you worked on?? lets start there. Now lets get one thing straight what I see as unsatisfactory cam extraction may not be what you think is unsatisfactory cam extraction. it's the good, better, best thing it's all ambiguous. and I have proof of consumer accepted ambiguity. I give you the AMF Harley self depleting oil issues. it sucked, it was a manufacturing defect, yet it was accepted by thousands of customers and the factory couldn't care less. So when I say a Rem 700 has little to no cam extraction I mean it. what's my definition of "little"? apparently that's your definition of good enough.

So how you doing on the rope trick?? You got that figured out yet?