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  • #61
    sreiter
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 1664

    Originally posted by goober_0
    yeah ease up sreiter... ke6guj was trying to help.
    and btw i think the point was that the tap is too small for the ez-out method to work. which is pretty much true.
    the OP has a hss or harder tap that is quite small, stuck in soft metal (aluminum).
    it would be VERY difficult to drill a hole into the tap w/o wandering into the surrounding material, and then even if you succeeded you'd have to use a very fine ez-out, if they even exist (i dunno).
    a guy that botched the tapping job in the first place is not likely to be able to pull such an operation off.
    points all very well taken -I believe you are correct. It he could tap right, he probably could drill a hole right. You'd need the right set up to drill
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    • #62
      Rukus
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 2387

      Whoa, dont drag me into it for "being a dick" I wasn't the one who asked:
      Originally posted by tankerman
      And what size carbide bit would be drilling out the tap?
      Anyways I tried a few of your suggestions about trying to punch the tap into pieces and that ended up being a no go as well. Fortunately my KNS pin came in the mail to put an end to this fiasco. Thanks to all who gave help.
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      • #63
        JamesY
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2006
        • 2652

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        • #64
          ke6guj
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          • Nov 2003
          • 23725

          Originally posted by Rukus
          Anyways I tried a few of your suggestions about trying to punch the tap into pieces and that ended up being a no go as well. Fortunately my KNS pin came in the mail to put an end to this fiasco. Thanks to all who gave help.
          cool that you were able to come up with a solution. If it ever bugs you, look into one of those EDM bolt/tap removal services. It looks like they can burn out even smaller stuff than that tap of yours. There's got to be one down San Diego way.
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          • #65
            BB63Squid
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2006
            • 3137

            I would suggest as was posted earlier take it to a reputable machine shop that does EDM and have them zap it out.

            I am guessing that most who have broke off the tap (with the exception of the OP) that the users were ham-fisted and forced the tap, didn't use tapping oil and didn't back the tap out every once in a while to ensure the cuttings were clear.
            Last edited by BB63Squid; 04-04-2009, 1:57 PM.
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            • #66
              sreiter
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 1664

              Originally posted by Rukus
              Whoa, dont drag me into it for "being a dick" I wasn't the one who asked:


              Anyways I tried a few of your suggestions about trying to punch the tap into pieces and that ended up being a no go as well. Fortunately my KNS pin came in the mail to put an end to this fiasco. Thanks to all who gave help.
              LOL - NO, not you, Original poster who said......

              not OP of thread -
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              • #67
                99medic
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2006
                • 569

                That happened to me a couple of months ago. I tried the tap extractor from marshalls but it barely budged. I ended up taking to Slivnik machining in San Marcos, (North Country San Diego). They specialize in tap removals.

                They charged me $80
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                • #68
                  Gio
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 10251

                  Originally posted by 99medic
                  That happened to me a couple of months ago. I tried the tap extractor from marshalls but it barely budged. I ended up taking to Slivnik machining in San Marcos, (North Country San Diego). They specialize in tap removals.

                  They charged me $80
                  Ouch! $80 for a $7.95 mod Not trying to hurt your feelings, but ouch! At least the end plate covers up any trace of it going wrong, right? Sorry to hear about everyones mis-haps trying to do the mod. I wanted to try it but decided that I do not take off that section of my AR's often enough to consider it.

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                  • #69
                    ar15barrels
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                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57159

                    Originally posted by Gio
                    Ouch! $80 for a $7.95 mod
                    No, that's $80 because someone F'd up a $7.95 mod that they were obviously not qualified to do.
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                    • #70
                      HkUSP45
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 645

                      Just go to a machine shop/machinist and ask if they have any idea.

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                      • #71
                        Gio
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10251

                        Originally posted by ar15barrels
                        No, that's $80 because someone F'd up a $7.95 mod that they were obviously not qualified to do.
                        Ouch! And the truth shall set you free

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                        • #72
                          Darklyte27
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                          • May 2008
                          • 9372

                          thing is, how often are you going to take off your butt stock?
                          its a neat idea and all but to me its just more $ wasted.
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                          • #73
                            redstars
                            Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 143

                            It's definitely not a MOD you must do or the lower would already come tapped. I did it on my two new lowers without a problem, but i didn't buy one of those kits. I almost lost and broke my spring a few times so i decided to try this MOD for the hell of it, but i wouldn't suggest it for someone building their first lower as necessary.

                            Glad to see the issue was resolved though. Everyone one makes mistakes, sometimes due to impatience or sometimes it's just murphys law..
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                            • #74
                              asheron2
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 726

                              If you dont need to remove the pins anytime soon, you could insert the spring and the detent from the pin side through the 1/4" hole, that way its practically doing the same thing as the screw would have done. When you do need to remove it, just stick the dremel in there and cut the end of the pins slot.

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                              • #75
                                Cali-V
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 1944

                                Originally posted by ar15barrels
                                Breaking the tap with a punch is the answer.
                                Then you pick out the pieces.
                                Make sure to use the proper secure the receiver, and use the correct size punch. Good luck!
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