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  • #16
    tr6guns
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2013
    • 643

    Originally posted by liber
    Nice! I've been planning to grind down a small woodruff to cut that.

    They are a fun project for those that like a challenge!
    Why, just buy one of these like I did, I've done more than 12 of them and it works just like its supposed to..

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    • #17
      Lostsheep
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 927

      Originally posted by tr6guns
      Why, just buy one of these like I did, I've done more than 12 of them and it works just like its supposed to..

      http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?P...MPXNO=22504095
      Touche, that would work but mine does it at one depth

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      • #18
        liber
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2014
        • 1868

        Originally posted by tr6guns
        Why, just buy one of these like I did, I've done more than 12 of them and it works just like its supposed to..

        http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?P...MPXNO=22504095
        I will, I didn't know if they made one small enough. Thanks for pointing that out.
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        • #19
          Reverend_Satan
          Junior Member
          • Oct 2013
          • 8

          I don't know about 60%s, but I know that you can get a jig from this place.. https://thebuffalo.us/

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          • #20
            liber
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2014
            • 1868

            Originally posted by Reverend_Satan
            I don't know about 60%s, but I know that you can get a jig from this place..
            If you would take the time to read this thread, you would understand that 60% typically means less than just slotting the rails and drilling the hammer and sear pins.

            That jig which Buffalo Arms sells (which is the Maverick Arms jig, BTW) only accounts for the hammer and sear pin.

            I won't repeat the discussion above, as you can read it yourself.
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            • #21
              MosinVirus
              Happily Infected
              CGN Contributor
              • Sep 2013
              • 5282

              Did OP ever post pictures of his 60%?

              Wow, it looks like there is quite a bit of work on the pictures I do see. Must be satisfying to do more work making it more of an accomplishment. Any advantage other than that? Price? Is there more machining needed outside of holes?
              Hobbies: bla, bla, bla... Bought a Mosin Nagant... Guns, Guns, Guns...

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              • #22
                liber
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2014
                • 1868

                Originally posted by MosinVirus
                Did OP ever post pictures of his 60%?

                Wow, it looks like there is quite a bit of work on the pictures I do see. Must be satisfying to do more work making it more of an accomplishment. Any advantage other than that? Price? Is there more machining needed outside of holes?
                Mosin,

                80% is just a fictitious number anyway, meaning it's not a finished firearm.

                Remember that once upon a time there was not a very good selection of "Unfinished Firearms", and the choices were few and far between. It really wasn't until the TM frames that one came along that only needed a few steps to complete a 1911.

                Many of the Sarco frames were similar, and those were horrid as far as fit/finish was concerned. These stainless frames were pretty far off center, I recall both of mine were at least .010" if not .020" off center between the sides. A fair amount of dimensioning was needed on these.

                No real advantage, not with the better frames that have come out now, like the ones you are using. I know someone that made a frame from what is referred to as billet, on a MANUAL mill. Now that takes some gonads...he did the slide as well from billet.
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                • #23
                  Lostsheep
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 927

                  Originally posted by liber
                  I know someone that made a frame from what is referred to as billet, on a MANUAL mill. Now that takes some gonads...he did the slide as well from billet.


                  Now that I would like to see!

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                  • #24
                    Maverickarms
                    Junior Member
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 2

                    Originally posted by liber
                    If you would take the time to read this thread, you would understand that 60% typically means less than just slotting the rails and drilling the hammer and sear pins.

                    That jig which Buffalo Arms sells (which is the Maverick Arms jig, BTW) only accounts for the hammer and sear pin.

                    I won't repeat the discussion above, as you can read it yourself.
                    Hi ,
                    Yes the Jig that Buffalo sells is or was the Maverick Jig. We recently changed our company name to Range18.

                    Was there something that you didn't like about the 1911 Jig? The Jig doesn't just account for just the sear and the hammer hole. Our Jig was machined on all sides to be square and true. The JIG is made out of plate stock and not bar stock so it's not concave like several other Jigs on the market. We add a block the same thickness as the frame so it would be held secure in a short vice. the Jig comes with machine pins . The 201 being the most important when lining up the frame and measuring before machining the frame. We also include a correct drawing and instructions. Let me know if you have any questions. I would be more then happy to answer any questions regarding our products.

                    I don't get on Calguns much because I'm busy building "freedom"

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                    • #25
                      liber
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2014
                      • 1868

                      Originally posted by Maverickarms
                      The Jig doesn't just account for just the sear and the hammer hole.
                      Wasn't meaning to downplay it, just that some of the 60% or lower than 80% frames require more layout.

                      Originally posted by Maverickarms
                      The 201 being the most important when lining up the frame and measuring before machining the frame.
                      I think you're referring to the .201 slide stop hole? Notice on the frames shown above they don't actually have one.

                      Originally posted by Maverickarms
                      I don't get on Calguns much because I'm busy building "freedom"
                      No problem, thanks for chiming in!
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                      • #26
                        Maverickarms
                        Junior Member
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 2

                        I did notice the frames above pictures . I had a few of them and they are still in the same paperweight state that I picked them up in. I have to give prompts to the guys that finish those frames . I ended up making a jig out of one for a guy that is custom making grips . the frames that we sell have a few operations that need to be finished.

                        If anyone need the instructions or prints that we use let me know. I can be reached at info@range18.com also

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                        • #27
                          liber
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2014
                          • 1868

                          Originally posted by Lostsheep


                          Now that I would like to see!
                          0% 1911
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                          • #28
                            tr6guns
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 643

                            Here are some of the ones that I started out with...
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                            • #29
                              liber
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2014
                              • 1868

                              Originally posted by tr6guns
                              Here are some of the ones that I started out with...
                              Those look like 60% in the sense that they have the slide stop hole drilled and the rear safety. They look like they require more work than what people call 80% these days.

                              The frames I showed above don't have the disconnecter or ejector done, no mainspring housing, grips, etc...quite a bit of layout needed.

                              This is all just to show that various frames require various levels of work, and the current generation of what is called 80% only requires slotting, hammer and sear pin holes, and sometimes barrel bed. Some don't even require the barrel bed be cut, they are pre-cut.
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                              • #30
                                tr6guns
                                Senior Member
                                • Mar 2013
                                • 643

                                The pic that I posted above has the one on the left bottom that I finished, the rest of them are 0% castings with the slide stop hole cast in and the rear safety still had to be undercut for the function of the slide safety. They still had to have the sides ground to the proper dimension and all the remaining holes and main spring slots milled along with all the remaining features milled. As stated above, the price of all the tooling alone will make most pass on any 0% castings along with the milling process to complete. ( It can be done if you have enough patience and time) (And at 74 that's about all I have.)

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