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  • uscbigdawg
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 1869

    Magpul Dynamics - Dynamic Carbine Course

    Y'all have probably seen the Training Video, if not, do check them out on their website, Magpul Dynamics. Too do a search on YouTube and you'll see more of the guys from MD and Chris Costa.

    I'm coordinating a 2 day course in July of 2009. Sounds a little early, but it never hurts to plan early with these things. So here's the info:

    Who: Magpul Dynamics
    What: Dyanmic Carbine 1 (or 2 if the student level is there)
    When: July 18 & 19 (Saturday & Sunday) *** NOTE THAT THIS IS AN UPDATE! ***
    Where: Sacramento Valley Shooting Center

    Some info on the class:

    Dynamic Carbine 2
    2 day course | ammo 1500rds carbine, 800rds handgun
    Course Description
    This is a fast paced, hands-on, super dynamic live fire course with minimal time spent in the classroom. Starting with combat mindset, the class thoroughly covers:

    Rapid threat analysis and acquisition
    Shooting on the move
    Multiple target engagement
    Strong and reaction side shooting
    Malfunctions
    Natural and improvised shooting positions
    Barricade shooting
    Shooting from vehicles (client dependant)
    Concealed shooting
    Low light tactics
    Individual and team confidence enhancement shooting drills
    Individual and team live fire stress courses

    Hardware/Kit
    A functional carbine or submachine gun chambered in 5.56x45, 5.45x39 or 7.62x39mm or standard pistol caliber weapon systems. If available, a spare weapon system is also an excellent idea. A cleaning kit and tools that are compatible with the weapon system(s) in question is also a must. Each student should have a minimum of 5 working magazines. Sometimes magazines will make it in your dump bag and sometimes they won't. If they hit the ground they can become fouled, causing weapon malfunctions and time off the line.

    Note pad, and pen/pencil
    Clothing suited to strenuous type activity as well as being seasonally appropriate
    Appropriate foot wear
    Rain gear / cold weather gear (seasonal)
    Ear pro (electronic preferred)
    Eye pro, which wraps around
    Clear lenses for night shoots
    Baseball style hat recommended
    Primary weapon sling, single point, or a good system that allows flexibility for transitions and reaction side weapon manipulations
    A rig that can carry a minimum of four (4) primary magazines on your person
    Functioning secondary weapon system, and three working magazines
    A holster and magazine pouch that will retain your equipment when moving
    Primary weapon mounted light
    Secondary weapon mounted or handheld light
    Spare bulbs and batteries for all lights
    Tools that work on your weapon
    Weapons lube
    Optics will require adjustment tools and spare batteries
    Water hydrating device
    Knee and Elbow pads (optional)
    Gloves (optional)
    An open mind.


    This will be a 2 day course (as stated above). Details with the range are still being finalized, but if it works out, both course, will include night fire and use of different lighting scenarios. Too, while a Carbine 1 course is a great course for all, if you have received training from a reputable instructor and are proficient with your carbine and handgun, they will be happy to do a Carbine 2 course (which I would prefer!).

    More info to follow! PM if interested.

    Rich
    Last edited by uscbigdawg; 01-02-2009, 2:03 PM.
    "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

    "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

    "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham
  • #2
    Mr. Joshua
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 1513

    If those dates don't work and you want to take their training earlier, LMS Defense is hosting them in Reno on February 7-8.

    Linkage: http://www.lmsdefense.com/lms/home/courseinstance/187
    The user formerly known as "han_cholo"

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    • #3
      uscbigdawg
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2007
      • 1869

      Nah. Those dates are set with Sac Valley Shooting Center and the guys from Magpul Dynamics. Hijacking my thread though is appreciated.

      For folks that may have a hard time coming up with the ammo, I'm going to be working with a couple of the major ammunition manufacturers & distributors to get them to cut the rates for this class. Not promising anything, but I have worked it out in the past.

      Max. student population is 20 total with 2 instructors, it works out great. The training is "fast & furious" and you do get a ton of information out of this from guys that know what they're doing. THE most impressive part of talking with Chris & Travis is their teaching method, style and mindset. Give the students a full spectrum of skills and from their let the situation outline what tools to use to complete the mission (i.e. come home alive).

      For any of the gear needed for this class, if you're short, let me know and I'll do whatever I can to get you right.

      Rich
      "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

      "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

      "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham

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      • #4
        Texas Boy
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 804

        Sounds like fun. Two questions:

        1. Cost?

        2. How will 10 round mags and bullet buttons change the class? Certainly reloads will be more frequent and take longer which will impact tactics. Seems like you you will be reloading more and shooting less, so the 1500 rounds might be high and the 5 mags might be low.

        -Mark
        ...the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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        • #5
          uscbigdawg
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 1869

          Hi Mark,

          Both are easy and great questions!

          1 - $400 + range fees (which won't be more than $15/shooter for both days).

          2 - I would say that more than 5 mags would make sense. If I was restricted to 10 round mags, or bullet buttons, I would bring probably twice as many mags. Let me know if I'm wrong. If you don't have a pistol grip, you're allowed a conventional detachable mag. Too, I would invest in a mag LULA, if I was in that situation as you can load mags super fast.

          That said, I'll bounce this off of Chris and see what he says, but honestly, wouldn't sweat it. Again, if restricted to a bullet button, I think I'd be proficient in using it.

          Rich

          ETA: I'm one of the lucky ones that has been doing shooting long enough to where I had 30 rounders back in '91 & '92 and bought 6 AR's back then too.
          "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

          "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

          "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham

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          • #6
            uscbigdawg
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2007
            • 1869

            More info on the course:

            Directions/location of the range can be found here:

            Sacramento Valley Shooting Center


            Also, as stated above, the class will be $400 per student + a range fee for both days (working on this price with the range to see if I can make it cheaper). Payments can be made by contacting Magpul directly at 1.877.4MAGPUL or 303.828.3460. Ask for Justin at extension 118. They will take your credit card number, but you will not be charged until just before the class starts.

            Also, given the amount of ammo for this course, I am working with some major ammo manufacturers/distributors on getting a bulk discounted price for this course. At 20 students max, that's over 30k rounds of rifle ammo alone. No reason we shouldn't be able to get a pallette for the class CHEAP!

            More info too on Dynamic Carbine 1 vs. 2. If you have had training from quality instructors in the past and have a basic proficiency in your carbine and pistol, you can be pre-qualify for the DC 2 course. If there are enough for this, it would be the class I prefer, however, given that Chris and Travis are great at adapting to their student base, I'm sure if we have a solid class that even a DC1 course will be an incredibly educational experience. What we don't want is a DC2 course and then have to start teaching grip, stance, etc. on the rifle and pistol.

            Thanks for the e-mails and interest. More info to follow.

            Rich
            "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

            "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

            "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham

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            • #7
              uscbigdawg
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2007
              • 1869

              Originally posted by Texas Boy
              Sounds like fun.

              2. How will 10 round mags and bullet buttons change the class? Certainly reloads will be more frequent and take longer which will impact tactics. Seems like you you will be reloading more and shooting less, so the 1500 rounds might be high and the 5 mags might be low.

              -Mark
              Hi Mark,

              Sorry for the delay. Slammed at work and teaching a pistol course this week got in the way too. So, Costa and I talked at pretty good length about this and this was the resolution. Given the constraints of where we are at, they are unique and as such is a skill that should be learned. So, it was agreed that folks should run what the bring, and both Chris and Travis will adapt from there. If folks are constricted with 10 round mags, please do not be discouraged, as while it means you're loading/reloading more, the good news (as Chris and I are both optimists) is that you're loading/reloading more.

              Here's the thing. If you're taking a pistol course and you're shooting a 1911. Are you going to feel handicapped by the guy shooting a Glock? 8 rounds of 45 vs. 17 of 9mm? It's a gun preference/choice and both are viable platforms and both have their own skill sets.

              So...by all means, bring whatcha got, given the laws that you have to follow.

              If there are ANY other questions, please do not hesitate to write or PM. I'll be continuously updating this site, but don't let time tick by to sign up for this class and DO NOT feel intimidated as in talking with the guys, they agreed that we can definitely keep the class flowing and adjusting the skill levels of the students.

              Rich
              "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

              "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

              "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham

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              • #8
                Jicko
                Calguns Addict
                • Dec 2005
                • 8774

                PLEASE someone get this course outside CA!

                1) MMG + 30 rounders, is good, but MMG don't give the AR the full control it deserves

                2) BB + 10 rounders means a lot of reloads and not very effect reloads..

                Yes, getting training of something you can normally use sucks, but... at least... it is FUN...
                - LL
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                • #9
                  SuperSet
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 9048

                  Rich,

                  I've put this class on my calendar as I've heard great things about MD. It's just a little too far out into next year to make a commitment yet.

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                  • #10
                    JOEKILLA
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 1458

                    Originally posted by SuperSet72
                    Rich,

                    I've put this class on my calendar as I've heard great things about MD. It's just a little too far out into next year to make a commitment yet.
                    I agree, good thing is I can start putting some funds and ammo aside. Hope to see you all there.
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                    • #11
                      Texas Boy
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 804

                      On my calendar. Like the others, still a bit too far to make a commitment...

                      Glad to hear you are willing to work with the limitations most of us face. Personally I'd rather keep the proper ergonomics as it insures I learn proper grip, posture, etc. That way when I leave CA (or the law changes), I won't have to learn a new grip. The 10 rd limit wouldn't be so bad if I could keep a proper mag release, but oh well...
                      ...the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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                      • #12
                        uscbigdawg
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 1869

                        I hear you and it has to be frustrating. I'm in the group that was lucky to get them before the SB23 declaration and registered my AR's. Heck...I remember when EVERY manufacturer was shipping EVERY AR lower to the state (mills were literally working overtime) and FFL's were selling them around $30-50 each just to get more into the state.

                        You should have seen the line at DOJ in Sacramento back then too. But...it was necessary.

                        Hope to see all of you there. Again. I'm working with some ammo manufacturers/distributors on some super discounts. Case in point. With Bass Pro having just opened in Manteca, I'll be hitting them up. Basically we're shooting at 200 yards and under. So...even Winchester White Box would be good since it'll shoot under a minute in a decent rifle.

                        Rich
                        "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

                        "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

                        "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham

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                        • #13
                          xxG3xx
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 1352

                          everything sounds good except the CA part if it was in NV i would be all for it

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                          • #14
                            uscbigdawg
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 1869

                            If you're already in CA, why does it matter? That said, they have a class in April in Reno.

                            Rich
                            "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

                            "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

                            "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham

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                            • #15
                              M. Sage
                              Moderator Emeritus
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 19759

                              Originally posted by Jicko
                              1) MMG + 30 rounders, is good, but MMG don't give the AR the full control it deserves
                              I would disagree, but that's just me.
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