Practical and Tactical

[The Virus]

This guy makes many many good points.
Kind of long but worth it.

[ZombieTactics]

He makes many good points, but also engages in an lot of word games and faulty logic to (cough, cough) "prove" several of his points.

Case in point: He goes to great lengths to define the terms "practical" and "tactical" only in ways which assume the validity of his case, and outside their usual definitive and connotative meanings regarding the topic. Let me do that an I can "prove" almost anything. I could simply claim that wearing sneakers instead of boots is a "tactic" designed to allow me to move more comfortably ... but I doubt your local SWAT team will be switching any time soon, numsayin'?

I'd really like to see Steve show us his daily carry rig ... betting it's different than his comp rig. Seems "tactics" might mean something other than what he states when it comes to protecting his own life. God I hope so.


Still good stuff though.

[Kempfer]

Another long winded study of semantics, another person stepping outside his/her box talking about things he knows well and assuming they apply to things he knows nothing about.

Another day, another youtube video, another thread... Oh well, human nature /shrug

[ZombieTactics]

Another long winded study of semantics, another person stepping outside his/her box talking about things he knows well and assuming they apply to things he knows nothing about.
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Damn ... said it better than I could. Seems an apt place for this link (tongue in cheek, of course): Dying at the Speed of Sound

[SuperSet]

I like that dude and his content and delivery. Normally, I don't enjoy lecture-only videos but look forward to his.

[MossbergMan]

All this time I thought Tactical meant something was black and cost more $$$........

[The Virus]

All this time I thought Tactical meant something was black and cost more $$$........

It also means that.

[Gryff]

...shooting in the open is tactical. By the way, pretending a sheet of plywood is cover isn't a tactic, it's a reinforcement of a bad habit.

Huh?

Standing in the open is smart. Standing where you cannot be seen easily is not smart?

I like that dude and his content and delivery. Normally, I don't enjoy lecture-only videos but look forward to his.

I wasn't. This is somebody, at least based on this one video, who appears to have spent far too much time on the competition range and thinks that makes him an all-knowing killing machine.

[Brian1979]

Can shoot vs cant shoot

Slow vs fast

tactical vs practical

all makes sense in the end.

[ZombieTactics]

... spent far too much time on the competition range and thinks that makes him an all-knowing killing machine.

Shhhh ... you aren't supposed to criticize someone's religion.

[Gryff]

Shhhh ... you aren't supposed to criticize someone's religion.

Well, my thing is that competition is wonderful at improving your life span in a gun fight, but only in terms of honing your weapon-handling mechanics. I am a competition-only type of guy, and have never carried a gun for a living, but I'll be the first to tell you that gun games also reinforce some horrid tactics (doing everything fast, expecting to know where your targets are, expecting all your targets to provide only a head-on shot angle, etc.).

There's a ****-load more to "tactical" than how fast you can draw/pull the trigger, or how fast you can run between shooting positions that you rehearsed for five minutes before the buzzer went off.

[ZombieTactics]

Well, my thing is that competition is wonderful at improving your life span in a gun fight, but only in terms of honing your weapon-handling mechanics. I am a competition-only type of guy, and have never carried a gun for a living, but I'll be the first to tell you that gun games also reinforce some horrid tactics (doing everything fast, expecting to know where your targets are, expecting all your targets to provide only a head-on shot angle, etc.).

There's a ****-load more to "tactical" than how fast you can draw/pull the trigger, or how fast you can run between shooting positions that you rehearsed for five minutes before the buzzer went off.

That's a very balanced position. Unfortunately, a lot of ego gets into the discussion sometimes, and balance goes out the window with some people.

I fully admit that I'll perform horribly in pistol competition. I'm starting it in 2013, and I'll probably get DQ'd a few time over rules which have absolutely zero real-life application. Still, it's inexpensive trigger time, and trigger time is a very good thing. It's just not everything, as you have partly noted.

[DeadeyeSteve]

Hey all, this is Deadeye Steve of the video linked above. For the record, I'm a former US Army Captain, MP Corps, and a former full time law enforcement officer with a deployment to Panama and two OIS under my belt.

My real name is Steven Cline, I am an NRA Certified Pistol Instructor (whoppity do), a USPSA Master Class shooter in the Single Stack Division (with at least one Master class classifier in Limited with my Glock 34 "Limited" gun).

I teach some classes to defray my shooting costs. I work Corporate Security for the world's largest telecom and have traveled from Alaska to Florida in doing so.

I am unafraid to speak to my mind. On the net, on the phone, in person. (210-551-6882 if you want to test that declaration)

There was a opportunity for the *cough* toughguys *cough* to actually reponded to me instead of talk about me behind my back. Throw a comment on the video, I repond to most.

Interestingly...

I directly contacted Gryff and asked if there was a chance to shoot IDPA in the Bay area after he posted on the video. There weren't any matches unfortunately, but he didn't extend an invitation to shoot either- which you would get from me if you have the stones to contact me directly.

In fact, consider it an open invitation that if you are in San Antonio, TX, to contact me through the Bullet Hole Shooting Complex, or through my youtube channel. Range time is on me and free for you and as the match director I have access to all the props. No matter how vehemently we might disagree you are always welcome to some trigger time as gun-loving American.

BTW, Gryff, it would be a training scar to repeatedly act as if plywood stops small arms and allow oneself to pretend it's a wise choice to shoot slower and less accurately by treating is as cover when it's concealment.

I responded to ZT's question about my EDC, and challenged him with a question as to what was behind it. Between the dishonesty in the "just thinking out loud" and the cowardice in not responding... well, what else can I say about that.

If you are worried about the TOS here, fill free to join over at the the doodieproject.com forums where it's a free for all and you can express your feelings freely. I'm "Sometimes Trouble" on that board. Be warned, you will get the free for all back.

Hi, "The Virus!"

To clear up a few points:

1- This was a troll video taking a direct poke at overly tactical... and overly sensitive. It apparently hooked a few. The admission of this point was in first few seconds of the video for those that missed it, and yes, clearly some of you missed.

2- This isn't my religion Zombie Tactics, this is my hobby. Did you look in the mirror before you posted that comment? That's somewhat hypocritical for the guy, "who trains a lot, shoots a lot and has a perspective." Now, about the CFS coolaide yer downing like a beer-bong challenge...

3- Kempf, "Long winded?" Have you watched a Nutnfancy video? What did you know about me Kempf before I posted above... thought so. At least ZT and Gryff has the spine to actually say their thoughts to me (sorta).

[Brian1979]

LOL, I love it.

[HighLander51]

Right on Steve! USPSA remains the King of Practical and Tactical. Speed and Accuracy. That's all there is, being faster and more accurate than your opponent. You got it Bro!!!