Practical and Tactical

[ZombieTactics]

I responded to ZT's question about my EDC, and challenged him with a question as to what was behind it. Between the dishonesty in the "just thinking out loud" and the cowardice in not responding... well, what else can I say about that.

I don't recall you and I being on bad terms or engaging in any dishonesty. You made a post or two on a couple of videos of mine, and I didn't detect any animosity. What am I missing?

This isn't my religion Zombie Tactics, this is my hobby. Did you look in the mirror before you posted that comment?

The religion comment was not directed at you, and I'm not sure how you could have missed that, unless you wanted to.

EDIT: I can see how now ... still wasn't meant to, but rather at certain persons on this board who think that competition (especially USPSA) is the end/all be all of all things shooting-related. Somehow, I don't think that's you.

[USMC 82-86]

Hey all, this is Deadeye Steve of the video linked above. For the record, I'm a former US Army Captain, MP Corps, and a former full time law enforcement officer with a deployment to Panama and two OIS under my belt.

My real name is Steven Cline, I am an NRA Certified Pistol Instructor (whoppity do), a USPSA Master Class shooter in the Single Stack Division (with at least one Master class classifier in Limited with my Glock 34 "Limited" gun).

I teach some classes to defray my shooting costs. I work Corporate Security for the world's largest telecom and have traveled from Alaska to Florida in doing so.

I am unafraid to speak to my mind. On the net, on the phone, in person. (210-551-6882 if you want to test that declaration)

There was a opportunity for the *cough* toughguys *cough* to actually reponded to me instead of talk about me behind my back. Throw a comment on the video, I repond to most.

Interestingly...

I directly contacted Gryff and asked if there was a chance to shoot IDPA in the Bay area after he posted on the video. There weren't any matches unfortunately, but he didn't extend an invitation to shoot either- which would get from me if you have the stones to contact me directly.

In fact, consider it an open invitation that if you are in San Antonio, TX, to contact me through the Bullet Hole Shooting Complex, or through my youtube channel. Range time is on me and free for you and as the match director I have access to all the props. No matter how vehemently we might disagree you are always welcome to some trigger time as gun-loving American.

BTW, Gryff, it would be a training scar to repeatedly act as if plywood stops small arms and allow oneself to pretend it's a wise choice to shoot slower and less accurately by treating is as cover when it's concealment.

I responded to ZT's question about my EDC, and challenged him with a question as to what was behind it. Between the dishonesty in the "just thinking out loud" and the cowardice in not responding... well, what else can I say about that.

If you are worried about the TOS here, fill free to join over at the the doodieproject.com forums where it's a free for all and you can express your feelings freely. I'm "Sometimes Trouble" on that board. Be warned, you will get the free for all back.

Hi, "The Virus!"

To clear up a few points:

1- This was a troll video taking a direct poke at overly tactical... and overly sensitive. It apparently hooked a few. The admission of this point was in first few seconds of the video for those that missed it, and yes, clearly some of you missed.

2- This isn't my religion Zombie Tactics, this is my hobby. Did you look in the mirror before you posted that comment? That's somewhat hypocritical for the guy, "who trains a lot, shoots a lot and has a perspective." Now, about the CFS coolaide yer downing like a beer-bong challenge...

3- Kempf, "Long winded?" Have you watched a Nutnfancy video? What did you know about me Kempf before I posted above... thought so. At least ZT and Gryff has the spine to actually say their thoughts to me (sorta).

Welcome aboard!

[DeadeyeSteve]

Welcome aboard!

Thank you!

Landing with a splash!

[DeadeyeSteve]

All I really want to know now is...

Anyone shooting with me in San Antonio?



BTW. I am the match Director for the 2012 Texas Single Stack Championships (I won the 2010 and 2011 TXSSC but can't compete and be the MD).

Competition is the great equalizer. All the tough guy talk and BS and lies and semantical argument crap goes away when the timer goes beep.

You can either frickin' shoot or you can't.

Single Stack takes most of the whining and crying about gamer guns out except for the hardcore whiners and criers.

Anyone what to join us on the 9th of December for 7 stages and 150 rnds of shootin'?

Matchbook here:

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view.php?id=5006614&da=y

It may lock up if everyone crushes the download site. If it stops ya, be patient and visit it again tomorrow or the next day.

[Brian1979]

I to shoot SS but go back and forth between that and L-10. I shoot USPSA from concealment and shoot the way I ccw, minus the 4 mags on my weak side.

Its always has and always will be about shooting. You can either be fast and accurate or you cant. Everything else is education about tactics and can be learned. The shooting part of that will take lots of practice and time. I shoot USPSA every Saturday and leave with the same setup for ccw going the entire week feeling confident in my abilities and gear.

I guess the tactical bunch just cant perform at the buzzer or do anything quickly so they find things about competition to make fun of. I guess they could say the same about us, but we are talking about shooting here so there is no more argument. Either you can do it or you cant. I can use cover and shoot, shoot on my side, kneeling, strong hand, weak hand, prone, seated, crouched, on 1 foot, around a barrier, etc. I know this because I have encountered all that through competition. I could not afford $500 a class even once a month so how would I ever get the practice necessary to learn and actually shoot? Instead I pay $35 a week and go through 800 rounds a month.

Now I have to go worry about my lead levels because I shoot too much, lol. I guess that could be a benefit to more training. low exposure means lower lead count.

[Horton Fenty]

This was a troll video taking a direct poke at overly tactical... and overly sensitive. It apparently hooked a few. The admission of this point was in first few seconds of the video for those that missed it, and yes, clearly some of you missed.

I laughed when I seen ZT's response. Fish on!

[Gryff]

I directly contacted Gryff and asked if there was a chance to shoot IDPA in the Bay area after he posted on the video. There weren't any matches unfortunately, but he didn't extend an invitation to shoot either- which would get from me if you have the stones to contact me directly.

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BTW, Gryff, it would be a training scar to repeatedly act as if plywood stops small arms and allow oneself to pretend it's a wise choice to shoot slower and less accurately by treating is as cover when it's concealment.

So, because there were no matches available, your feelings were hurt because I didn't invite you to shoot in one of these non-existent matches? Again...like some of your logic in your video...can't say that makes much sense.

As for your theories on plywood barricades in IDPA matches, apparently you confuse gun games with training. I don't.

Welcome to the Internet. You put stuff out there. People comment.

[Brian1979]

Gryff:

We can invite you to come shoot Norco with us, its USPSA. I think it would be more convenient and we live closer then Steve who I think is in Texas.

[DeadeyeSteve]

I to shoot SS but go back and forth between that and L-10. I shoot USPSA from concealment and shoot the way I ccw, minus the 4 mags on my weak side.

Its always has and always will be about shooting. You can either be fast and accurate or you cant. Everything else is education about tactics and can be learned. The shooting part of that will take lots of practice and time. I shoot USPSA every Saturday and leave with the same setup for ccw going the entire week feeling confident in my abilities and gear.

I guess the tactical bunch just cant perform at the buzzer or do anything quickly so they find things about competition to make fun of. I guess they could say the same about us, but we are talking about shooting here so there is no more argument. Either you can do it or you cant. I can use cover and shoot, shoot on my side, kneeling, strong hand, weak hand, prone, seated, crouched, on 1 foot, around a barrier, etc. I know this because I have encountered all that through competition. I could not afford $500 a class even once a month so how would I ever get the practice necessary to learn and actually shoot? Instead I pay $35 a week and go through 800 rounds a month.

Now I have to go worry about my lead levels because I shoot too much, lol. I guess that could be a benefit to more training. low exposure means lower lead count.

I had the blood work done recently, slightly elevated lead levels from the reloading I suspect.

Oh, I observed once- I can slow down and remain accurate when going all ninja. If ya don't have the skill, you can't get better on demand.

If someone showed to one of our USPSA matches and shoot from concealment you'd get defended by me and I'd do my utmost to stop anyone from making fun of ya.

[Brian1979]

They can make fun until they see that it doesnt slow me down. Occasionally I will fumble a mag in my shirt tail but not often. For me I use USPSA as practice and dont consider IDPA to be any where near as challenging for that purpose. I dont want to be told how to shoot a stage and just because its behind cover doesnt mean that its tactical or more real in my opinion. IDPA also doesnt allow to practice and improve on speed which I consider the most important in real life. Of course accuracy is as well but not if it takes you forever to achieve that.

Glad to see a "real shooter" join here and having watched your videos its clear you can shoot. Like wise you can watch some vids from the crowd above ^^^ and see what you are dealing with.

[DeadeyeSteve]

So, because there were no matches available, your feelings were hurt because I didn't invite you to shoot in one of these non-existent matches? Again...like some of your logic in your video...can't say that makes much sense.

As for your theories on plywood barricades in IDPA matches, apparently you confuse gun games with training. I don't.

Welcome to the Internet. You put stuff out there. People comment.

Hmmm, If guess I didn't realize I need your welcome to the internet, or initiation to the internet or whatever role you think you've taken onto yourself.

Hurt feelings? Nah, you ain't got what it takes. What you missed was a chance to have a beer and talk about it like dudes instead of the pissing contest you opted for. I'll piss with the best of 'em- beer or tree. (tree after the beer)

Ya know, Gryff, you don't comprehend so good. You could of have invited be shooting. I said shooting, not to a match. What I said on plywood in the video and what you made it into in your comment show terrible comprehension as well. Comprehension, get some.

ETA
On logic; you don't get to claim that using plywood is good practice on one hand and then beg off how stupid it is as a practice with a statement about not confusing training with gun games. They are ALL gun games.

And btw sparky, in TRAINING, they use the same plywood barricades as well, or, GASP!!! None at all.

[DeadeyeSteve]

They can make fun until they see that it doesnt slow me down. Occasionally I will fumble a mag in my shirt tail but not often. For me I use USPSA as practice and dont consider IDPA to be any where near as challenging for that purpose. I dont want to be told how to shoot a stage and just because its behind cover doesnt mean that its tactical or more real in my opinion. IDPA also doesnt allow to practice and improve on speed which I consider the most important in real life. Of course accuracy is as well but not if it takes you forever to achieve that.

Glad to see a "real shooter" join here and having watched your videos its clear you can shoot. Like wise you can watch some vids from the crowd above ^^^ and see what you are dealing with.

Oh, I've watched...

[DeadeyeSteve]

I laughed when I seen ZT's response. Fish on!

It's all about the bait.

[DeadeyeSteve]

I don't recall you and I being on bad terms or engaging in any dishonesty. You made a post or two on a couple of videos of mine, and I didn't detect any animosity. What am I missing?


The religion comment was not directed at you, and I'm not sure how you could have missed that, unless you wanted to.

EDIT: I can see how now ... still wasn't meant to, but rather at certain persons on this board who think that competition (especially USPSA) is the end/all be all of all things shooting-related. Somehow, I don't think that's you.

I think you need to man the hell up and own your words above. They speak for themselves.

And,


I very clearly spelled out for everyone what you did on the video comments and what you did here.

[Gryff]

Ego. It powers the Internet.