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[hitmissone]

I just tried to transfer one on my hand gun courses to another. Many of us have several courses and memberships in our assets. To transfer is now $1000.00 when a week ago it was free. Just more scamming?????

[Sam1234]

We are all over here:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=518454

Thanks!!

[Sam1234]

I feel Like........................

I feel like I just found out my best friend whom I have loved and supported is a child molester.

[lastinline]

And people acting like it is normal. It is isn't. If that is the rabbit hole one has to go down to get gun training, I don't want gun training. Just take my money and train me. I don't need to be called President, Founder, Knight, whatever...

[dok]

He built an unsustainable organization.They accomplished there mission of excellent training for large groups of people.They also did a great job of teaching leadership skills to many instructors Over the years.Sad to finish with a giant Bernie Maddof type scheme.I am guessing he has made himself judgement proof unless fraud can be proven.

[200Apples]

I feel like I just found out my best friend whom I have loved and supported is a child molester.

Mister Doctor Iggy may be something else with a firearm (only second man in history! to achieve Four Gun Combat Jedi Sublime Master! blah blah blah) but he is a megalomaniac. Dude is whack. Could smell it years ago from the marketing scheme alone, and now with his overly-long emails and manifestos. No stranger to litigation, his legal troubles are now greatly compounded...

[Sam1234]

I see two philosophies emerging. One pull the bandaid off slowly or two rip the bandaid off in one swift motion.

The end result will be the same. One will prolong the inevitable pain. The other will get it over with quickly.

I think the good DR should be held accountable for his actions. Bad, amoral, unethical and / or illegal behavior should never be accepted or rewarded.

[702dog]

Mister Doctor Iggy may be something else with a firearm (only second man in history! to achieve Four Gun Combat Jedi Sublime Master! blah blah blah) but he is a megalomaniac. Dude is whack. Could smell it years ago from the marketing scheme alone, and now with his overly-long emails and manifestos. No stranger to litigation, his legal troubles are now greatly compounded...

[TeamAllen]

Maybe he's getting rid of memberships so he can sell off the property with no liabilties?

[Capybara]

I could not agree more. I am in the entertainment field and have worked with and dealt with Scientologists quite a bit over the past twenty years. Some good people but the bottom line is, it's an insidious cult of true evil and the second I hear the S word or "L. Ron Hoover", (Yes, quoting Joe's Garage!), I'm out, I want nothing to do with anyone or anything associated with Scientology.

I'm lucky this is all coming to head as I have been looking for a good tactical shotgun class and was considering going to FS. This makes my hunt simpler and better defined.

[Sam1234]

A little back story and venting

I lived in what was the great American state of California for over 50 years. In 2018 I sold my house in San Jose and moved to Idaho. Idaho for anyone who doesn't know is in America.

Normally I lurk in the "off topic" discussion lounge.

Fast forward to today. I put together a group trip for about 8 to 15 or so people to get memberships and go to Front Sight for a grand road trip, camping and firearms training.

Thank God I didn't get them the memberships! I was waiting until the first week in Feb to confirm all the people who have committed and order the memberships at one time.

Adding a $1000.00 fee to any kind of membership is absolutely cost prohibitive, not even counting all the other additional charges.

I am beyond bummed out! I an angry, pissed, and violated.

I can not see how Front Sight can continue.

[jeremiah12]

I read Iggy's email. This guy reminds me of a con man. He came up with a MLM scheme directed towards the gun community. He did this at the right political time, when so many want gun training for many reasons.

Rather than finding God, he found the "Gun" after suffering (in his words) a drive by shooting in his neighborhood one evening. So he went on a year's long quest to seek out the best training and become a Four Weapons Combat Master. He had found enlightenment. Now he was going to save the masses by establishing Front Site.

He has all the markings of a cult leader, including the phraseology; "Exchange in Abundance". You give me something and I will turn it in to so much more for you because I am that great.

There were red flags since the beginning. A short Google search found more than a few in the gun community pointing out the marketing plan was not viable and it was a MLM scheme and many of the training methods being used were outdated and from the 80s. There were concerns for the high number of accidents and cover-ups and the two major legal issues caused by poor decisions by Iggy.

I have also read here and other places that many saying that they knew it was too good to be true but they were going to take advantage of it while they could. For those that were able to go 40+ times, they got their "exchange in abundance". For those that were not able to go but once or twice, you paid for the "exchange in abundance".

This was no different that a time share.

Iggy is smart enough to have pulled it off this long. I predict that he is expecting a class action lawsuit. When it comes, he will label those people as the enemy within that did not stand shoulder to shoulder and are trying to destroy what he built out of the kindness of his heart to share with the true members (ie. the true believers). It will be a plea for money.

If and when he loses the suit, there will be a bankruptcy filing. If Chapter 11, then the attorneys get paid and the former members get a few pennies on the dollars, and the lifetime memberships are still gone and the restructuring stays.

If Chapter 7, he sells to someone that is close to him and the lifetime memberships are still gone and those who had them still get pennies on the dollar. In a few years he could re-purchas the business or be brought back as a consultant.

This is why pay as you go is much better. There are no entanglements.

[Divehobo]

Synopsis of Iggy email:

As of today's date, these are the changes in Front Sight policies, procedures, and finances.

"F$ Bucks." Each Front Sight Buck has the value of $1 (one dollar) - can use for services, products, or fees associated with Front Sight purchases including pro shop, ammo, food, membership transfer fees, criminal background fees

All Front Sight memberships now have access to private training

All rental, hotel, etc certificates, are now converted to certificates good for the Two Day and Four Day certs

One Front Sight Coin for every $100 they spent in accumulating their Front Sight Credits/Patronage Points. This places the value of a single Front Sight Coin at $100 each

Front Sight placed one additional Front Sight Coin in EVERY member's account

Private Training for Founder Members is $600 per day, per person. Private Training is booked at least one month in advance, First Come-First Served, based on availability of staff and ranges.

All ammunition shot at Front Sight must now be purchased at Front Sight. This policy takes effect on February 1, 2022 even if you have enrolled in a course prior to this announcement. Contact our Ammo Bunker to pay for the ammunition for your course.

The $50 Annual Criminal Background Fee for the first course of the new year remains in effect.

All membership transfers now require a one time, $1,000 transfer fee

The following fees, you will now be paying a fee to maintain your membership, the facilities, the staff, and insurance - approximately $150 for a two day course or $300 for a four day course.

Starting JANUARY 1, 2022 - each member must pay a $50 per month Membership Maintenance Fee

Starting February 15, 2022, proof of a minimum of $100,000 or purchase from Front Sight's vendor of choice at $25 per day.

Starting IMMEDIATELY, $25 per day Facility Fee for the number of days of their course
Starting IMMEDIATELY, $25 per day Staff Support Fee for the number of days of their course.

I realize you may have questions about the restructuring of Front Sight's policies, contact our Concierge staff at 702.837.7433

Go to this Front Sight page NOW and pay your monthly or annual Membership Maintenance Fee. The cost is $50 per month or an annual payment of $500 per year.

Front Sight Facility Fee of $25 per day for every course day you attend - Front Sight Staff Support Fee of $25 per day for every course day you attend - Front Sight Liability Insurance Fee of $25 per day for every course day you attend. These total $75 per day ($150 for a 2-Day course or $300 for a 4-Day course).

You might not initially like the idea of paying a monthly membership maintenance fee or $150 in fees for a Two Day Course or $300 in fees for a Four Day Course, but a simple search of other firearms training facilities...FS still on par and less $$ per visit (?)

What if you're already enrolled in a course?
You will NOT need to pay the $25 per day Facility Fee or Staff Support Fee or Insurance Fee
You will, however, need to immediately pay your Monthly Membership Fees.
For firearms courses, contact our Ammo Bunker to prepay your ammunition.

What if you choose not to participate with Front Sight any longer?
There is nothing you need to do. You do not need to contact us. We will see that your membership maintenance fees were not paid by MIDNIGHT, February 28, 2022 and your membership will be forfeited on March 1, 2022.

[Divehobo]

Synopsis of Iggy email:

As of today's date, these are the changes in Front Sight policies, procedures, and finances.

"F$ Bucks." Each Front Sight Buck has the value of $1 (one dollar) - can use for services, products, or fees associated with Front Sight purchases including pro shop, ammo, food, membership transfer fees, criminal background fees

All Front Sight memberships now have access to private training

All rental, hotel, etc certificates, are now converted to certificates good for the Two Day and Four Day certs

One Front Sight Coin for every $100 they spent in accumulating their Front Sight Credits/Patronage Points. This places the value of a single Front Sight Coin at $100 each

Front Sight placed one additional Front Sight Coin in EVERY member's account

Private Training for Founder Members is $600 per day, per person. Private Training is booked at least one month in advance, First Come-First Served, based on availability of staff and ranges.

All ammunition shot at Front Sight must now be purchased at Front Sight. This policy takes effect on February 1, 2022 even if you have enrolled in a course prior to this announcement. Contact our Ammo Bunker to pay for the ammunition for your course.

The $50 Annual Criminal Background Fee for the first course of the new year remains in effect.

All membership transfers now require a one time, $1,000 transfer fee

The following fees, you will now be paying a fee to maintain your membership, the facilities, the staff, and insurance - approximately $150 for a two day course or $300 for a four day course.

Starting JANUARY 1, 2022 - each member must pay a $50 per month Membership Maintenance Fee

Starting February 15, 2022, proof of a minimum of $100,000 or purchase from Front Sight's vendor of choice at $25 per day.

Starting IMMEDIATELY, $25 per day Facility Fee for the number of days of their course
Starting IMMEDIATELY, $25 per day Staff Support Fee for the number of days of their course.

I realize you may have questions about the restructuring of Front Sight's policies, contact our Concierge staff at 702.837.7433

Go to this Front Sight page NOW and pay your monthly or annual Membership Maintenance Fee. The cost is $50 per month or an annual payment of $500 per year.

Front Sight Facility Fee of $25 per day for every course day you attend - Front Sight Staff Support Fee of $25 per day for every course day you attend - Front Sight Liability Insurance Fee of $25 per day for every course day you attend. These total $75 per day ($150 for a 2-Day course or $300 for a 4-Day course).

You might not initially like the idea of paying a monthly membership maintenance fee or $150 in fees for a Two Day Course or $300 in fees for a Four Day Course, but a simple search of other firearms training facilities...FS still on par and less $$ per visit (?)

What if you're already enrolled in a course?
You will NOT need to pay the $25 per day Facility Fee or Staff Support Fee or Insurance Fee
You will, however, need to immediately pay your Monthly Membership Fees.
For firearms courses, contact our Ammo Bunker to prepay your ammunition.

What if you choose not to participate with Front Sight any longer?
There is nothing you need to do. You do not need to contact us. We will see that your membership maintenance fees were not paid by MIDNIGHT, February 28, 2022 and your membership will be forfeited on March 1, 2022.

[Divehobo]

sorry for dupe post