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[NorthBay Shooter]

So he just did the let me answer some of your questions email. Besides all the normal BS he says he knew that front sight credits, then patriot points or whatever were always going to be useless. That is why he wiped them from the books. All the double your points BS and he knew they were never ever going to be used. He created the bubble and then popped it. Now he is going to create another bubble with the coins and the FS$.

Here is the snip from the email for those who still have him on SPAM.

1. Credits/Patronage Points converting into the new FS Bucks and FS Coin. This change created the most confusion and angst of all the changes. Let me explain: Through their purchases, Front Sight members had received matching credits to use to pay their background checks, membership transfer fees, use toward purchases in the pro shop, and special offers I planned on creating in the future, most significantly when Front Sight Resort was completed and running like a well-oiled machine. When I began offering members the opportunity to purchase credit multiplier offers, the credits began doubling, tripling, quadrupling, 10Xing, 100Xing etc. This created a MASSIVE number of credits that quite frankly members would never be able to use in a hundred years, other than a special offer I contemplated when the resort was completed that would allow them to trade all their credits back in and receive benefits relative to the other members who did the same thing. This was something the members, especially the top purchasing members, had a great time with and competed with each other to see who could amass the most credits. The credits became more of a unit or measure rather than a credit because there was no way these credits could ever be used in a thousand years. When I made the tough decision to restructure Front Sight, I wanted to fix this by making it more manageable and real for members, while also providing an Exchange in Abundance to THANK members for their past support and their support of the restructure

[NorthBay Shooter]

So he just did the let me answer some of your questions email. Besides all the normal BS he says he knew that front sight credits, then patriot points or whatever were always going to be useless. That is why he wiped them from the books. All the double your points BS and he knew they were never ever going to be used. He created the bubble and then popped it. Now he is going to create another bubble with the coins and the FS$.

Here is the snip from the email for those who still have him on SPAM.

1. Credits/Patronage Points converting into the new FS Bucks and FS Coin. This change created the most confusion and angst of all the changes. Let me explain: Through their purchases, Front Sight members had received matching credits to use to pay their background checks, membership transfer fees, use toward purchases in the pro shop, and special offers I planned on creating in the future, most significantly when Front Sight Resort was completed and running like a well-oiled machine. When I began offering members the opportunity to purchase credit multiplier offers, the credits began doubling, tripling, quadrupling, 10Xing, 100Xing etc. This created a MASSIVE number of credits that quite frankly members would never be able to use in a hundred years, other than a special offer I contemplated when the resort was completed that would allow them to trade all their credits back in and receive benefits relative to the other members who did the same thing. This was something the members, especially the top purchasing members, had a great time with and competed with each other to see who could amass the most credits. The credits became more of a unit or measure rather than a credit because there was no way these credits could ever be used in a thousand years. When I made the tough decision to restructure Front Sight, I wanted to fix this by making it more manageable and real for members, while also providing an Exchange in Abundance to THANK members for their past support and their support of the restructure

[Supersapper]

Sad I didn't take more coursework under the old business model; I've only done carbine and up to ATHG. I missed out on all the shotgun stuff, multi-gun, and HCMP.

Has anyone curated the topics covered in all these different courses? Like in the entry level hand gun courses, what do they cover? Answer: the "three secrets" of marksmanship, controlled pair, ragged hole drill, 5 point draw, modified weaver, malfunction clearances. There are only so many ways to skin the cat of being a solid shooter in various platforms, but having the list of things to know would be helpful.

That might actually be something we could start. I went six times and remember pretty much everything from the beginner and a good portion of the Intermediate course.

[Paseclipse]

Not sure if this has been posted in this thread yet, but it's THE email that was sent to everyone posted on the website- https://www.frontsight.com/restructure/

[beanz2]

Beanz.... You and I partnered up in a Gabe Surez AK course one time a few years ago.

[Bert Gamble]

Am I seeing things or did the transfer cost of a membership of up to $1000.00? I think the last time I transferred one it was $100.00

[rodralig]

Please provide more details on this alleged $300.00 cancelation fee.
I have looked all over the Front Sight website and see nothing about any cancelation fees.

Also note: The Front Sight website has not been updated to reflect the new unilateral changes.

Y'all should make copies of everything you can. Just saying................

This was PMed to me in the FB groups. I asked for a link but they responded that I should reach out to Dani for them to send me the policy (Dani is out today).

Apparently this was from 2-years back. But am not aware of it since I got my private training supplement in 2019, and I have a copy of that "welcome to private training" sort of email (no cancelation charges mentioned).




That said - Iggy said that, as per point #8 of his latest email - he should have refunded the private training membership/supplement in FS Bucks. I still have to receive mine - I sent him an email asking about it as CYA because I don't want to spend extra on ammo when I already have prepared what I need.


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[Bert Gamble]

Well, I guess Frontsight is finally finished. It was good while it lasted, and I enjoyed many courses. It is too bad, but to be honest, I thought this would happen years ago.

[Supersapper]

Personally, I think we all sort of knew this was coming. He created a thing that he had no choice but to keep upping to astronomical levels. The amounts of Patronage Points and membership upgrades was unsustainable. The way it was going, every member of Frontsight would have been staying for free year 'round and the place would never have been able to turn a profit to become self sustaining if he ever got it up and running.

A friend of mine has had a membership for a long time, back when the accounts had “Iggy Bucks” which were 1 IB = $1 and you could use it on everything in the store. My buddy bought 511 Tactical pants, holsters, etc…it had to cost Iggy a fortune. This was some years ago. Then it was no more. Then you had Credits that you could use for a lot of things…then no more. Then the “company store” didn’t have anything you could use the Credits for…perhaps targets and you could still use it for the background check (did he ever do them? I don’t think he has any access to NICS or the other systems, did he?).

I've always wanted to know how he is able to pay instructors and staff when probably 90% of all the new memberships were acquired outside of his price tiering...ie from friends and family, as it were. The people who paid for the upgrade, were getting some very nice things back, so the money he was getting was not actually all going to the coffers. I suspected the answer lied in a version of a Ponzi scheme, with only two separate differences: first, I don’t think he meant to defraud us for his own gain (although he probably made a very comfortable living off it) and there was no mandatory participation. Couple that with the fact that he got swindled and his resort idea hit snags…ones I think should have meant calling such an ambition without funding quits while he could.

I'm just sad that it all came to this, but I know that perfection is not sustainable...only consistency. I wish he had not tried for this "flawless victory" with the thug; but rather taken the wins that the court gave him. I suspect that this would have been over at significantly less expense.

I'm a substitute teacher. I was able to afford this before, but not now…I can’t afford to buy ammo at their prices, $100 for the training, the $1000 transfer fees (which cost him nothing), etc. It’s just too much.

I’ve heard of boards of directors actually firing/removing company founders for misdeeds to save a company and the jobs it created…can this board remove Iggy from power and stabilize the situation? Dr. Piazza pulled the pendulum artificially all the way to the stop and it gave out. Now he’s swinging it all the way to the other side to recover every dime he can and it’s going to cost a lot of people their jobs and the community will suffer horribly, as others have mentioned. Once this is done, have the Board of directors (FrontSight Knights and Founders) develop 3 or 4 distinct and separate courses of action. Then open up a forum for all members of FrontSight to voice an opinion and thoughts on refining them. Finally, calling a vote of each member on which course of action should be pursued.

That would give everyone buy in, a voice, and lastly a way to proceed. I would gladly kick in $50-$100 per year as a member. If there are 250,000 members, that would be $12,500,000 to $25,000,000 per year. Start a Foundation with some of that money and hire proper, licensed, long standing firms to manage and grow that money. That should go some distance toward an end to the problem. They might even be able to get some sort of sponsoring from companies into shooting sports.

[beanz2]

OK, good for you, You resisted,,, but the problem is,,, it was so great ! The instructors the training, and the facility, were great! Piazza was/is the problem and you can't seem to separate them from him.

The fact that you didn't go only means you missed out. You could have bought a Diamond membership for $75 on this site or on Ebay and gotten everything I got for $5K, and if you went more than once you'd be a better shooter for less $ than anywhere else that teaches Shooting!

Gunsite charges $1820 for a Beginning Pistol Class and they have maybe one a month. You could have gotten a 2 day or 4 day pistol class for $75 and they have two a week, every week, so you can fit them in on your schedule and all of them would have been free after that.

Obviously this has all changed. But my point is,,, "YOU" missed out !

Just because something sucks now doesn't mean it always sucked. I went to a Pistol and a Rifle class last May. Neither one sucked.

I guess "Lastinline" really means you are "last in line" for everything? Think about that for a minute. You might want to change that moniker?

Randy

[Sam1234]

I'm in for a lawsuit. My wife and I were just talking about Frontsight. I have 5 or so memberships I need to offload and now that's going to be a challenge!

I sincerely hope you don't try and off load any useless memberships to some unsuspecting soul.

[Cali-Glock]

That ammo from the Bunker and Bunker only requirement is BS. A box of Federal they sell is the same as the box of Federal from SGAmmo.

No rhyme nor reason?!

The reason is that FS can't operate without income. Requiring that the ammo used at their classes is purchased from them is one way to secure that funding.

[swruger]

My total investment was $550.00 for three Diamond memberships. My wife and I got our $s back in training. Our daughter was never able to attend. No doubt we received well over $550.00 in training value. Our "investment' more than paid for itself, many times over IMHO.

My only question to myself is, is it worth the risk of $1500 to keep the memberships active for one year to see what happens? I don't care about the great doctor or his bank account, I look only at if I/the family will benefit. $1500 will cover about 5 +/- one day classes at other facilities in SoCal, from some quick web browsing late last night. If it wasn't for the requirement to buy FS ammo, I would have probably paid by now.

I will spend the next few evenings reviewing other training options before making a final decision.

(PS: FS was also an escape from the office, provided a mental break from work stress, and was a break from the family (wife mainly lol). I'll need to find an equivalent or better outlet LOL.)

[DSMeyer]

[Manofmayhem]

@Sam1234, I would never take advantage of someone like that. I'll keep the memberships. Maybe I can get a settlement, or sell them for 2k to cover the tramsfer fee; that will likely never happen.