Front Sight Members Check In Here!

[AAShooter]

That's good to know FS credit can be used for background check of others. If I had a boat load of credit, I'd be selling it to members who don't have any at a severe discount.

Works great to bundle with memberships. Or, as suggested, sell a discounted background check.

[Citizen_B]

For those of you that got gun bonuses in the past, about how long from payment did it take to receive in hand?

It looks like there's a $50 shipping fee for a pistol. Anyone know if credits can be used?

[AAShooter]

For those of you that got gun bonuses in the past, about how long from payment did it take to receive in hand?

It looks like there's a $50 shipping fee for a pistol. Anyone know if credits can be used?

My last one was many months. Don't know about using credits but I doubt it.

[Muzz]

For those of you that got gun bonuses in the past, about how long from payment did it take to receive in hand?

Took mine about 8 months. The person in charge of the FFL stuff for FS back then screwed up royally for a whole lot of people. It is also why they won't do upgrades or substitutions anymore. The problem hasn't happened since, that I know of. Should be only a few weeks to receive. I don't know if credits can be used for shipping charges.

[waveslayer]

For those of you that got gun bonuses in the past, about how long from payment did it take to receive in hand?

It looks like there's a $50 shipping fee for a pistol. Anyone know if credits can be used?

don't hold your breath, once Piazza uses ask the money he gained from the memberships he is slow to deliver the guns because of the lack of money to pay for them all. so he takes a long time. I waited over a year plus, finally I threatened to sue him, he delivered. they weren't what he promised. and now I am not allowed to upgrade my diamond. lol. like anything over a diamond does anything. so good luck. and Wes that did the transfers was a bit interesting. .. there's two sides to that story

[AAShooter]

. . . Wes that did the transfers was a bit interesting. .. there's two sides to that story

Never quite figured out both sides of the story but definitely never could figure out what really happened.

[beanz2]

So, what's the story on this, guys?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1145905

[HopetonBrown]

It's unfortunate that CGN has succumbed to pressure from FS to obscure the real secondary market price of their memberships. I pay a lot more for training locally, but it is arguably better, and without Xenu or Amway-like multilevel marketing.

[Citizen_B]

The new membership package specifically allows the advertisement and sale in ALL media. The letter the mod showed was just enforcing the already existing FS policy that forbid advertising membership sales - it was nothing new or unique to CG. Current FS policy still forbids membership ads/sales but this new package (that happens to include memberships) is specifically allowed (promoted in fact).

That mod is mistaken and would rather wait for FS to contact CG directly to specifically allow it. I don't know if this will actually happen. But... not my site so not my rules.

[dave3223]

Just got the postcard for this and was actually tempted by it BUT it all just seems like a ponzi scheme to me.

Don't know how Iggy can do this or make any money at it. If you buy 2 offers for $600, you supposedly get a FMK C1 G2 pistol which retails for $410 plus $600 of Front Sight Credits AND you get 4 offers (its doubled with the offer) including:

2 - 4 day course certificates
2 - 4 day gun rentals
4 - Uzi submachine gun lunchtime shoots including 2 mags of ammo
4 - Diamond memberships

And after buying 2 offers which is doubled for a total of 4, that's a total of:

8 - 4 day course certificates
8- 4 days gun rentals
16 - Uzi submachine gun shoots
16 - Diamond memberships

The number of all of these things out there much be IMMENSE and will just be further diluted by this offer!!!! Further, by my estimate, the wholesale cost of the gun, goods purchased w/the FS credits and the ammo used in the Uzi shoots probably exceeds the $600 that you'd pay for 2 offers. How can he do this?

Is anybody actually going to take Iggy up on this offer? It's crazy and just screams scam to me!!!

Personally, I respectfully disagree with your assessment even though I can understand what you are saying. Everything at Frontsight that is promised today will change tomorrow. All of the certificates and matching credits and all don't really mean anything to Iggy.

First, I am sure that he gets a deal from buying the guns from his partnership with the guys who do the ammo and gun promotions (don't remember their name). Secondly, he will likely not ship the guns immediately and instead will ship them in batches based on orders received and paid for. Thus, he is able to get the money today but not deliver on the guns until later which means that he is still winning out. Third, there are a lot of certificates and memberships that are already sold using media at this time. Instead of advertising them directly, many people simply state to "contact me by email for Frontsight memberships." This is still advertising by public media. With all of these memberships out there, the likelihood of being able to sell them quickly won't be any different and thus there is no problem with Iggy offering them to you to sale in a direct fashion versus the way that many do them now.

Personally, I have over 600 Diamond memberships, over $28,000.00 in credits and numerous gun rentals, certificates and other things that I can sale in some manner. I have yet to do so and I am not in a rush to try and flip them for my own reasons. However, what has this cost Iggy to give me this many memberships. Absolutely nothing except promises for a future hotel, condos, lounges and other things that have yet to be proven except an actual bathroom on the facility now. It makes perfect sense for Iggy to promise a bunch of things for low costs. Basically, he still wins simply because the costs of the guns themselves are actually less than $600.00. To me, his willingness to give a lot is smart as it does draw you in. But do I believe it is a scam, the answer is no. Everything I have bought has been delivered. The real question is when will I actually be able to enjoy the promises of the lounges, hotels and clubhouses???

[Citizen_B]

Just got the postcard for this and was actually tempted by it BUT it all just seems like a ponzi scheme to me.

Don't know how Iggy can do this or make any money at it. If you buy 2 offers for $600, you supposedly get a FMK C1 G2 pistol which retails for $410 plus $600 of Front Sight Credits AND you get 4 offers (its doubled with the offer) including:

2 - 4 day course certificates
2 - 4 day gun rentals
4 - Uzi submachine gun lunchtime shoots including 2 mags of ammo
4 - Diamond memberships

And after buying 2 offers which is doubled for a total of 4, that's a total of:

8 - 4 day course certificates
8- 4 days gun rentals
16 - Uzi submachine gun shoots
16 - Diamond memberships

The number of all of these things out there much be IMMENSE and will just be further diluted by this offer!!!! Further, by my estimate, the wholesale cost of the gun, goods purchased w/the FS credits and the ammo used in the Uzi shoots probably exceeds the $600 that you'd pay for 2 offers. How can he do this?

Is anybody actually going to take Iggy up on this offer? It's crazy and just screams scam to me!!!

Statistically, the Doc makes money just by bringing people in through the door without any revenue from memberships/certificates. Think $50 'background check', MG shoots, ammo purchases, gear rentals, etc. So lets guess at his actual cost for a 2 package $600 offer:

- (1) FMK pistol is probably ~$300 wholesale, maybe less.
- (16) Uzi shoots: we'll ignore wear on the Uzi and staff to run the line. Ammo: 32 mags of 9mm. I don't recall if they use 25rd or 32rd mags so lets say it's 30rd. Their wholesale cost for 9mm is maybe $0.13/round. 960 rounds at that rate is $124.80.
- (8) 4-day gun rentals: he's not buying any new gear, so it's just the actual wear cost of using the equipment. Lets say $5 of wear per 4-day usage, times 8 equals $40. BUT, if you rent FS guns, you have to buy their ammo, so there is some profit associated with the rentals.
- (8) 4-day certificates: There are so many of these and are so diluted their street value is less than $5 (last I checked on eBay/Amazon). The cost to the Doc is minimals and as previously mentioned actually profitable statistically.
- (16) Diamond memberships: Also diluted by large quantity in market, and as previously mentioned actual cost to the Doc is minimal with statistical profit.
- $600 in FS credit: I'm not real sure how to value these. You can only use it for specific things. The Pro Shop has jacked up prices. It's good you can use it for background checks.

So in real dollars, it cost him ~$464.80 + whatever FS credits are really worth, for an immediate profit at moment of sale of $135.20. Now, the reality is he's not going to incur any actual cost at that moment, it gets spread out over some time period as he actually purchases the pistol and pays for the incurred cost by attendance to FS. Suppose it takes a year on average to accrue the cost, at 3% interest on $600 over a year that's $18. He's probably not investing the proceeds but instead either using it to fund (free business loan) the fantasy resort or putting it back into operation costs to keep the doors open (who knows). It's also true that not all of those Uzi shoots and rentals are actually going to be used, so there is some statistical loss/gain from that fact.

Anyway, that's just my speculation.

[AAShooter]

Statistically, the Doc makes money just by bringing people in through the door without any revenue from memberships/certificates. Think $50 'background check', MG shoots, ammo purchases, gear rentals, etc. So lets guess at his actual cost for a 2 package $600 offer:

- (1) FMK pistol is probably ~$300 wholesale, maybe less.
- (16) Uzi shoots: we'll ignore wear on the Uzi and staff to run the line. Ammo: 32 mags of 9mm. I don't recall if they use 25rd or 32rd mags so lets say it's 30rd. Their wholesale cost for 9mm is maybe $0.13/round. 960 rounds at that rate is $124.80.
- (8) 4-day gun rentals: he's not buying any new gear, so it's just the actual wear cost of using the equipment. Lets say $5 of wear per 4-day usage, times 8 equals $40. BUT, if you rent FS guns, you have to buy their ammo, so there is some profit associated with the rentals.
- (8) 4-day certificates: There are so many of these and are so diluted their street value is less than $5 (last I checked on eBay/Amazon). The cost to the Doc is minimals and as previously mentioned actually profitable statistically.
- (16) Diamond memberships: Also diluted by large quantity in market, and as previously mentioned actual cost to the Doc is minimal with statistical profit.
- $600 in FS credit: I'm not real sure how to value these. You can only use it for specific things. The Pro Shop has jacked up prices. It's good you can use it for background checks.

So in real dollars, it cost him ~$464.80 + whatever FS credits are really worth, for an immediate profit at moment of sale of $135.20. Now, the reality is he's not going to incur any actual cost at that moment, it gets spread out over some time period as he actually purchases the pistol and pays for the incurred cost by attendance to FS. Suppose it takes a year on average to accrue the cost, at 3% interest on $600 over a year that's $18. He's probably not investing the proceeds but instead either using it to fund (free business loan) the fantasy resort or putting it back into operation costs to keep the doors open (who knows). It's also true that not all of those Uzi shoots and rentals are actually going to be used, so there is some statistical loss/gain from that fact.

Anyway, that's just my speculation.

I would think the $135.20 of "profit" is quickly consumed if you take your credits to the pro shop and purchase $600 worth of goods. FS will make money selling these new folks upgrades. For example, notice the memberships are basic Diamonds and do not include the discounted ammo and guns through Stockpile Defense.

[waveslayer]

don't forget about the hotel he is building! it will never happen . if it does to guys can be the first to call me out! and his ponzi scheme is crazy, until the day it's over I will enjoy my cheap training, not cheap in quality but cost. anyone want diamond memberships? I have a few hundred to sell... sorry Piazza I have made a good living off of your final offers and selling them to my friends... so far I'm in the black because of Piazza

[LCU1670]

I was thinking, so many people already have so much F'S stuff to trade in that if they ever do sell timeshares, the costs will have to be about $125,000.00 per week to eat up all that stuff already in peoples accounts AND generate enough revenue to build it.

[Larryect]

I was thinking, so many people already have so much F'S stuff to trade in that if they ever do sell timeshares, the costs will have to be about $125,000.00 per week to eat up all that stuff already in peoples accounts AND generate enough revenue to build it.

The thing I don't understand is:

Why would I buy a timeshare when I have the hotel supplement which allows me to stay in the hotel or RV park free when I am taking a class?