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[dsw-001]

My prediction:

He needs to get all members off the all classes for free for life terms. The Gold Status path is the way to do that. He's going to make better and better deals to pull legacy members over to Gold Status (or whatever future names it changes to). Training quality for Gold and non-Gold members will remain the same. Maybe he plays games with the background check fee like eventually prevents using credits for it.

As he keeps offering deals of FS Buck etc, he'll once again starts inflating the supply to infinity. Right now the FS Buck value is close to USD parity for ammo etc. It won't stay like that. How much ammo you purchase will either be limited or the price inflated. The same for other things you can use FS Bucks for. Any of this sound familiar? The fees that can be paid with FS Bucks may go up or down, but what won't change is at least one fee (likely a daily fee) that must be paid in USD. This is the only real fee he cares about and is his protected cash flow.

This opinion, $5M Patronage Points, and $2 get you a small coffee at the FS food truck.

I think you are correct. Anything to change your existing membership is going downgrade your membership into "gold star" membership class.

The other thing that will probably happen once he has enough of his "gold star" members is that the fees will start to rise. Remember he originally wanted $500/$600 per member annually + $75 per day with real money. I can see this being ratcheted up to $100/$125 per day of class and it'll be close to the GS $500 per day. It's easy to justify it by just stating inflation. The raises will need to be tempered as if it's too much, nobody will show up.

As for the F$ money being inflated to nothing, you're probably right - a box of ammo is soon going to be something like $24.50 USD or $20 USD + 10F$. The actual cost to FS is going to be like $15 USD so he'll make money either way. That was pretty much what happened to the FS credits and basically the F$ money will be basically worthless.

[-hanko]

What does being a scientologist have anything to do with what's going on, assuming it is even true? I have never seen or heard anything to do with scientology at FS.

Heck, totally opposite as a matter of fact. In scientology you do NOT get free memberships for life, you have to keep paying in order to advance.

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/i/ignatius-piazza.html

[Citizen_B]

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com...us-piazza.html

Still not sure what your point is. Whether Piazza is a scientologist or not has nothing to do with the training. There is zero reference to anything Scientology related on site.

Have you even been to FS? I get the sense you have not and are just (unsuccessfully) trolling here.

[-hanko]

Still not sure what your point is. Whether Piazza is a scientologist or not has nothing to do with the training. There is zero reference to anything Scientology related on site.

Have you even been to FS? I get the sense you have not and are just (unsuccessfully) trolling here.

I've trained there half a dozen times.

Piazza's actions have been ridiculous since he began in California.

96% of those voting here favored dumping FS, or joining a class action suit.

I wouldn't call it trolling, seems obvious to me if/when repeated promises that get better and better over the years never happen.

Dr. Piazza has had a pretty transparent plan over the years, not sure why you cannot successfully see his plan.

[Kate]

Not true. He says he's got just south of 270,000 memberships. If he charges $150 per year from each membership regardless of who owns it, that would be right around $40,000,000 per year, and it would grow with new members. That works out to just less than $110,000 per day.. And that is running the operation exactly as it has been running, minus all of the freebies and upgrades.

If it takes $40M per year to run FS, I want to see the books. Then we trim the BS. If Naish has been drawing a 7 figure salary, then it needs to stop and somehow the council or founders or even the government, needs to find a legit way to remove him.

In one of his "surveys" he asked this question:

"Were you aware that of the 263,322 Front Sight Members, 171,842 Members have never paid Front Sight any money? Meaning, 171,842 of our 263,322 members have never purchased a membership from Front Sight, or paid for an upgrade, or purchased a special offer, or answered the call to financially participate in the Litigation Funding offers, or the Finish the Fight offers to defeat the unscrupulous people fraudulently attempting to fraudulently foreclose on Front Sight"

So, there are, at most, about 91,000 people who *might* pay anything. And, I would guess MOST of those are One-And-Done folks.

Katie

[Citizen_B]

I've trained there half a dozen times.

Piazza's actions have been ridiculous since he began in California.

96% of those voting here favored dumping FS, or joining a class action suit.

I wouldn't call it trolling, seems obvious to me if/when repeated promises that get better and better over the years never happen.

Dr. Piazza has had a pretty transparent plan over the years, not sure why you cannot successfully see his plan.

[w00dmaster]

Dude, you're really starting to sound like you're obsessed with Dr. Piazza. You've made your points over and over and over and over and over and we get it. Really though, time to just go for a walk, take a break, have a drink or do something else. Find a new thread to live in. You're super annoying, and that's coming from ME, someone who is pretty darn annoying around here.

I'm not supporting Piazza and what not, but anytime someone says anything positive about the training you come back with some half-cocked straw man argument that isn't even relevant to what the person said.

I went back an read my last 10 plus post's you should too Vinnie? Reread what you said about me and WTF are you talking about? I have made very constructive comments about others comments made and I have that right I have been on this threat for many years. Things I said many years ago would ultimately happen due to his Ponzi scheme all have happened just as I said they would. I think that I say things FS for cheap cost supporters like you do not like to hear. Vinnie if I bother you so much hit the Ignore button or just do not read what I post but personal attacks are not serving this thread either.

[Spartan301]

Jesus....over 60 posts of drama in one thread!

Drama Queen much?

Looks like over 88% of CG members disagree!

[beanz2]

Put some of these characters on ignore and your Calguns experience would be much better. They have nothing useful to say, even elsewhere in the other threads.


Click User CP under Calguns banner, then
Choose “Edit Ignore List” under “Settings & Options”
Add his name to “Add a Member to Your List...”
Click “Okay”

[w00dmaster]

So your the gate keeper of relevant discussion's? The self appointed censor?

[Jedi54]

No wood, he is simply the provider of useful information unlike others in this thread.
If he was the self appointed censor he would just block you for the rest of us.

[w00dmaster]

No wood, he is simply the provider of useful information unlike others in this thread.
If he was the self appointed censor he would just block you for the rest of us.

You mean censor, let get that straight! So you agree to censor people you do not like/agree with too? You have a finger push the ignore button your self you need Jedi to do that for you?

[LV_G22]

All I see is a post by beanz2 and then a post by Jedi54.

I must be doing something right

[acegunnr]

Life is good if you don't see wood! lol

[SWalt]

In one of his "surveys" he asked this question:

"Were you aware that of the 263,322 Front Sight Members, 171,842 Members have never paid Front Sight any money? Meaning, 171,842 of our 263,322 members have never purchased a membership from Front Sight, or paid for an upgrade, or purchased a special offer, or answered the call to financially participate in the Litigation Funding offers, or the Finish the Fight offers to defeat the unscrupulous people fraudulently attempting to fraudulently foreclose on Front Sight"

So, there are, at most, about 91,000 people who *might* pay anything. And, I would guess MOST of those are One-And-Done folks.

Katie

If there were only 91,000 who actually paid FS any thing, whos fault is that? He set it up that way when members bought memberships at great discount from him with the idea of the members resale them. If he set it up so if you brought in a new member, they paid FS a discounted rate and you got a few hundred bucks for the effort or a free firearm, wouldn't that be much better? Then he would have at least had the money to give you that free gun! In other words, he shot himself in the foot.