*NEW* Front Sight Members Check-In Here!

[ARFrog]

To: Dr. Ignatius Piazza
Founder and Director
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute
#1 Front Sight Road
Pahrump, NV 89061

https://www.frontsight.com

info@frontsight.com
1.800.987.7719



Re: Restructuring Front Sight



Dear Sir,



In the words of World War II General Anthony McAuliffe:



“Nuts!”



I do not recognize your attempts to unilaterally restructure my contract rights and privileges.


Regards,

[rodralig]

Well, I was hoping for one last hurrah... Maybe to get more value of what I paid into. Alas!!! Throwing good money into bad never really turns out OK.

So... I was able to connect to the Ammo Bunker to check on ammo. And yes, as per Iggy's email - it is $24.50 (50s of 9s) and $15.75 (20s of 223s). Why do I need to pay these overpriced ammo when I already have my own stash for far cheap?!? ... Thus, I wrote to FS to refund whatever you promised (point #8 in all of Iggy's spam) - yeah, they did refund it! As FS Coins which the Ammo Bunker does not accept.

Again - not wanting to throw more good money into a bad situation, I am canceling my Private. Screw their cancelation fees (which I am not aware of, anyway)... So much for taking my first (and last) stab at HCM. Oh well...

The famous former Gunsite instructor Ken Hackathorn said that often military or police courses would cram 2 days of instruction into 5 days.

A few days' back... A drill that I haven't done in a LONG LONG time. One of Ken's staple, the "Test," the 10-10-10 drill.



*ugh* I could have done better if my shot timer didn't beep just TOO early and I got flustered.

http://www.vogeldynamics.com/training/

https://www.frankproctorshooting.com...arbine-option/

Frank and Bob travel a lot to SoCal... Bob just had his class at CTA two weekends back.

That said - there is a Haley class in Bakersfield in May. Unfortunately I already have scheduled a 2-day class with Max Joseph (TFTT-DAG) that same week.

What I am looking forward to is the 3-day combo of Leatham/Vickers, which usually got rescheduled/canceled twice already (Vickers' health?).


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[beanz2]

After taking other schools’ classes, one thing becomes obvious to me. Either they’re focused on the very beginner and will not go past the static shooting from the line, or they briefly go over the basics and move on to the more fun activities to keep the mid level shooter entertained, leaving the newbie in the dust struggling with loading, grip and stance, etc., who in turn slows down the entire class if the instructor chooses to bring him up to speed.

Some schools require completion of basic courses before a higher level course, but not all of them do that. Even then, there often isn’t any proof of proficiency required. But I guess if it costs students $1K+, it’s not in your economic interests to do so.

[w00dmaster]

https://www.frontsight.com/restructure/

[PogoJack]

For the love of Xenu, Ignatius gone plum crazy.

He's now going to send prospective members to us for recruitment?

So you can sell "To be determined" memberships and keep the money minus the $1000 transfer fee.

Then when they change the deal, my friends in the pyram- I mean "funnel", can come after me!

Doctor, heal thyself!

UPDATE: Front Sight is now going to direct potential new member sales to YOU.

Yes, its true. As I state in www.FrontSight.com/Restructure Front Sight is no longer going to actively and aggressively market the sale of our memberships. The four levels of memberships we offer will be listed on our website so potential members can see the benefits and terms of what each membership offers and they could purchase from us, but we are going to list on the membership page, "For special pricing on this membership, enter your zipcode and you will be directed to a Front Sight Member near you, who holds Front Sight memberships, and is authorized to transfer one to you at a significantly reduced price." When the potential new member enters their zipcode, the first name and email of the Front Sight member, who wants to participate in selling their "To Be Determined" memberships I have given them over the years, and lives closest to the new potential member, will be provided to the potential new member. The new potential member will then contact the Front Sight member via email and the Front Sight member takes it from there by sharing their experience of attending Front Sight courses and offers the potential new member, one of their "To Be Determined" memberships for purchase at whatever price our member wants to sell the membership for and keeps all the money. The new member then pays the transfer fee and membership maintenance fee to Front Sight and starts scheduling courses.

In addition, our video marketing funnel, which has had over 30,000 people take advantage of a free course with Front Sight, was paused after December 31, 2022. It will now be edited to reflect the changes from the restructure. As part of the new marketing funnel, after accepting the free course, the potential new member will receive the same opportunity to reach out to a Front Sight member near them for a membership at a significantly reduced price. We will market the free course marketing funnel as we have in the past, but instead of selling memberships through it, we will direct all potential membership sales to our loyal and supportive Front Sight members so they make all the money from the sales of the "To Be Determined" Memberships I have given them over the years.

This program is an AMAZING opportunity for you to simply sit back and have Front Sight's marketing direct potential new members to you with no effort on your part other than answering their email and having an email chat with them. Of course, because they are from your local area, I'm sure they will also become friends and shooting buddies with you. If you are like many of our members who bring large groups to Front Sight every year, these new members will fit right in with your group.

We are working on updating the marketing funnel as I write this and will begin creating a completely new, updated FrontSight.com website as we complete Front Sight's restructure.

I hope you see that this yet another positive change for all our loyal and supportive members made possible through Front Sight's restructure. Thank you for your continued, loyal support of the greatest firearms training organization and firearms training facility in the world. If you have not yet done so, please pay your Membership Maintenance Fee today so you too can continue with Front Sight as a loyal and supportive member.

On the other hand, I will call it even if they can get me tactical carbine training with Instructor Lovie Malespin . I think California Tactical Academy actually hosted her before the Rona plague.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKcmpTwMcY4

[rodralig]

That is what I like about Front Sight - you are not allowed to go to the next progression without meeting a certain standard. I have been part of supposedly advanced classes but things slow down (they take away from the curriculum) because of lower level shooters. That said - most of these classes are the defensive/tactical variety... I had one advanced class where I felt we wasted a good hour going through malfunctions because half couldn't effectively perform a clearance, much less, on demand (the student pauses... lost on what to do next... and looks at the instructor...)...

That said - classes by the more experienced/skilled instructors are able to work the difficulty of the class as part of the registration. Say, pass a certain drill and/or have a certain class in the shooting sports. I found out that some schools will set the student aside and/or be sent back with a class credit until they are up to par.


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[NapalmCheese]

Yeah, LOL at the new FrontSight marketing 'funnel'.

Funnel... Like an inverse pyramid...

Reminds me of the Always Sunny selling Invigoron berries.

At least now he's not trying to hide his pyramid scheme MLM.

[w00dmaster]

Its clear with the new announcement and the requirement to carry insurance on your self that FS most likely has very little liability insurance now. So forbid you have a accident that hurts someone you are going to be gone after and most likely from site will as well.

[w00dmaster]

[QUOTE=rodralig;26582430]That is what I like about Front Sight - you are not allowed to go to the next progression without meeting a certain standard. I have been part of supposedly advanced classes but things slow down (they take away from the curriculum) because of lower level shooters. That said - most of these classes are the defensive/tactical variety... I had one advanced class where I felt we wasted a good hour going through malfunctions because half couldn't effectively perform a clearance, much less, on demand (the student pauses... lost on what to do next... and looks at the instructor...)...

That said - classes by the more experienced/skilled instructors are able to work the difficulty of the class as part of the registration. Say, pass a certain drill and/or have a certain class in the shooting sports. I found out that some schools will set the student aside and/or be sent back with a class credit until they are up to par. .


Not being able to advance should not be because you stepped right instead of left in a after action drill. Those things you can perfect at home. Simply do away with that and concentrate on shooting and and things you can't do at home. I think its ok to segregate the real newbies but I saw people who were better shooters than me fail to go on because they did not do a after action drill in the right order. Gun site does not have any of the crap.

[rodralig]

Not being able to advance should not be because you stepped right instead of left in a after action drill. Those things you can perfect at home. Simply do away with that and concentrate on shooting and and things you can't do at home. I think its ok to segregate the real newbies but I saw people who were better shooters than me fail to go on because they did not do a after action drill in the right order. Gun site does not have any of the crap.

I don't know which criteria are your referring to, but the test to progress through THG and ATHG is all about shooting. There are no points deducted nor added for an after action drill... Heck! I didn't even use Weaver and got through...



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[w00dmaster]

Well last time I was there they did deduct points for not completing the after action drills perfectly when testing at the end? Was that dropped? Until you go some where else you have nothing to compare it to so the point is moot. I have been to Gun Site and others besides FS.

[c.j.]

Did we do this one yet?

https://pvtimes.com/news/mega-gun-range-near-pahrump-under-fire-for-duping-members-108083/

[rodralig]

Well last time I was there they did deduct points for not completing the after action drills perfectly when testing at the end? Was that dropped? Until you go some where else you have nothing to compare it to so the point is moot. I have been to Gun Site and others besides FS.

Hhhhmmmm... You have been posting all over ever since this FS blew over... I wonder what your intent really is... Trolling perhaps? To gloat? But then again, this is not the point of this conversation, right?


Anyways, just like you - I have also gone to other schools aside from FS. There are schools that require a level of shooting proficiency before being allowed to more advanced classes, and there are those that do not. At least maybe Dec 2018 when I took the test - FS was one of the former.

Did we do this one yet?

https://pvtimes.com/news/mega-gun-ra...embers-108083/

Yeah... That article is all over, at least, three (3) Facebook groups.


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[w00dmaster]

I have asked 3 times if anyone can say how much was really done as far as the camp grounds and all? No one has answered Some one must have been there in the las 3 years? If nothing was done and it started over 12 years ago, at least the camp grounds that is. That should have been a sign he was lying. All he expanded was his capability to get more people through (Ponzi) and that was obvious. That being said it had to crash. I am glad to see people are not going to try to save their lifetimes by sending more money to this thief. No one signed anything so I doubt any one will have any recourse.

[acegunnr]

Just put wOOdy on your Ignore List and you will be much happier. He does not add any value to the discussion.