*NEW* Front Sight Members Check-In Here!

[Doctor_Chicago]

Thank you! It worked I can see, prove what was taken.

I already had a copy but yes it worked great!

[beanz2]

I was on this forum for years about 4 years ago. I only bought a original $3400 membership that would include your wife for free. I resisted all his offers for almost 20 years. I was berated and made fun of by people on this forum every time I posted and was even referred to as 5 o clock Charley like on Mash as I came one every week like clock work. I really feel sorry for the money that was stolen from you. I was there and needed a qualification once for Utah permit to carry usually a simple deal find a instructor go to a open range at noon and done. No one would help me. Finally I was told that no one wanted to work extra until front site paid them. They were 3 weeks behind in pay roll. I asked how often does this happen they said they are always behind a week or so. Pizzo lived a high roller life hob knobbing with the high society while not paying his employees even close to on time. Many of you reading this were or are instructors there I could tell by your relentless defending of him. He got every one who gave him one dime beyond the basic member ship. I do not believe one thing that comes from his mouth. He has to live with the fact that now the world knows what a P.O.S he really is. Its not speculation any more its the truth. When a man dies all he can hope for is that he leaves a legacy of being a good person, no one will ever say that about Pizzo. He has million dollar homes built on the back of his members and staff. I got my money's worth I was there dozens of times for $3400 and I have a gun business and was able to right off the cost of the membership as I am an instructor so needed the training. Other were not so lucky. When a deal seems to good it always is!

[B2Busy]

[w00dmaster]

I have a small training business just me!

[NorthBay Shooter]

LOl be sure to find the emails where he stated FS was fully funded and he was turning it over to the founders i thought this year

^^^this.
Go all the way back. Guardian membership. I believe that was the first that added all the crap about turning over FS. That membership was the guardian of FS and would run it when he was done building the "new" FS resort. I bought that back in 2013 as an upgrade from my ambassador membership. It was like 199.

Then a whole bunch of memberships offered until we got to the condo's / timeshares. That was the Heritage. You could pass down to your family and would be the one that he would safely turn over when done...again.

[NorthBay Shooter]

I think the point right now is for him to raise enough cash to pay his property taxes, which someone said in a post, or I maybe saw on FB were in default. Also, the lien on the title for the residential construction (Brad's house?) for not paying the construction contractor. Then the employees.

If you go back to FS training 1000 people a day. Let's say they are training 300 or so. At $75/day in new fees, that's 22,500/day in revenue from that. Forget about all the other possible revenue he may get from Ammo, etc.

Hard to see how he can get out of the hole with a profit of maybe 5k a day?

[w00dmaster]

what has been done to the property besides the ranges.

Has anything been done on the campgrounds, or anything besides the ranges and area?

[Shooterjim]

Well, there's been a lot of people talking about leaving FS and suing and such, but here's the real question I would like to post to the group....

Where to next? Who has experience at Gunsite? Or Thunder Ranch? Where are the good classes that won't break the bank?

[w00dmaster]

I have been to Gunsite, they do not do the old style Weaver shooting stance FS does, they basically let you do what you want. No stupid after action drills that no one else anywhere does. Three instructors at least on the range usually more, can pick up your brass and use your own ammo. Order food to be delivered at a reasonable price. The big deal is they do not train teen agers or all of their instructors. Gunsite instructors are all special ops or retired military and or retired law enforcement no kids teaching you. After covid settles down I am going back asap. Iggy Pizza was graduate of Gunsite they trained him he got the idea from Gunsite.

[damon1272]

I’m going to be attending more Tactical Performance Center classes and tactical Hyve. Both have been great. Loved taking the force on force class at tactical Hyve. Will be looking at Assualt dynamics also.

[dad4mnc]

Just added more links to the 2nd post of this thread that includes all the Skills Test and Dry Practice Manuals.

Thank you for this.
Dr. P screwed the pooch. I'll miss FS as a destination for fun with family and friends. The one thing it had going for it is convenience although the upper level classes seemed to be offered less and less. There are plenty of training opportunities outside of FS. Modern Samurai Project, Kyle Defoor, Sentinel Concepts, Tim Herron to name a few in addition to Gunsite and Thunder Ranch (pricey). I am guessing many carry AIWB, carry with handgun optics, etc. These instructors drill down on this. It's the availability that is the challenge.
JMO, but FS was starting to fall behind regarding optics on handguns. I've run them for a few years now and most instructors had little knowledge of employing them on a handgun or if they did, would not go there.

[LDB777]

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Thunder Ranch has been conducting classes out there at a different location. Would be awesome if they bought Front Sight and set up shop there and just kept it a place to train with no promises of a resort, hotels, blah, blah, blah. Just good, solid training.

Apparently Piazza bought that land a while ago, all 517 acres or however much it is for $180k. Land was owned by a chemical company that used to mine diatomaceous earth there for filters. Piazza found it sorting through county records and contacted the company that owned it. They didn't even realize they owned the property, so they sold it to him for a song. He's already put in the work to get the access road put along with the sewer, water, electric, ranges and bays, etc. All it would need it a decent, honest person to run the place.

[NorthBay Shooter]

The ultimate tool behavior. The new awesome offer from the good Dr. Since FS is no longer selling memberships, if someone wants to buy one, he is going to send them to us. We can then sell one of our TBD's to this potential member. We get to keep the money, THEN, the new guy pays the 1k transfer fee to FS and all the other fees. I am sure that is going to work out well.

here is the snip from the email
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UPDATE: Front Sight is now going to direct potential new member sales to YOU.
Yes, its true. As I state in www.FrontSight.com/Restructure Front Sight is no longer going to actively and aggressively market the sale of our memberships. The four levels of memberships we offer will be listed on our website so potential members can see the benefits and terms of what each membership offers and they could purchase from us, but we are going to list on the membership page, "For special pricing on this membership, enter your zipcode and you will be directed to a Front Sight Member near you, who holds Front Sight memberships, and is authorized to transfer one to you at a significantly reduced price." When the potential new member enters their zipcode, the first name and email of the Front Sight member, who wants to participate in selling their "To Be Determined" memberships I have given them over the years, and lives closest to the new potential member, will be provided to the potential new member. The new potential member will then contact the Front Sight member via email and the Front Sight member takes it from there by sharing their experience of attending Front Sight courses and offers the potential new member, one of their "To Be Determined" memberships for purchase at whatever price our member wants to sell the membership for and keeps all the money. The new member then pays the transfer fee and membership maintenance fee to Front Sight and starts scheduling courses

[mitori]

Where to next? Who has experience at Gunsite? Or Thunder Ranch? Where are the good classes that won't break the bank?

The country's best training isn't happening at these legacy facilities. It's happening at your local gun club. The traveling instructors come to your area, you sign up for a 2 day class. You don't have to join a membership, they're not selling you dreams of a condo, hotel or name on a monument. You pay their $250-$300 per day tuition, you show up, they teach you, you leave. End of business agreement.

The famous former Gunsite instructor Ken Hackathorn said that often military or police courses would cram 2 days of instruction into 5 days.

The traveling instructors, whether they're world champion competition shooters or former Delta/Seal Team 6 guys, can teach you more in less time because they wrote the curriculum, they're more experienced than your Front Sight/legacy academy instructors, and there are less students in each class.

https://presscheckconsulting.com/class-calendar

https://sobtactical.com/classes/

https://shivworks.com/calendar/

https://defoor-proformance-shooting.myshopify.com/collections/all

https://www.ctt-solutions.com/classes

https://www.hadesunleashed.com/courses

http://www.vogeldynamics.com/training/

https://www.frankproctorshooting.com/r5-performance-2-day-pistol-course-with-carbine-option/