Got Dual Carbide?

[J-cat]

Ordered Reddng's .45 ACP and .40 S&W latest greatest dies. They came in last night. I tried the 40 first. It's a good lookin' die. Has two carbide rings about half an inch apart. It sizes the base of the 40 case to .424" and the top third to .418". In contrast, my RCBS 40/10mm die sizes 80% of the case to .419" and the remainder stays at .424".

The case, in effect, is now bottlenecked. I guess the benefit is you get .001" more neck tension and less stress to the case head.

Interestingly, Redding's GRX push-through die sizes the whole case to .424". So this die is a combination of a GRX and a Lee "U" die.

Just another toy. It's pretty cool. Turns the .40 S&W into a mini-.400 Corbon

['ol shooter]

Sounds very innovative. Will check them out, thanks.

[J-cat]

The .45 ACP die is similar. I just sized a bunch of Winchester range brass and measured .467" at the neck and .473" at the base. In contrast, my standard Redding .45 die sizes 80% of the case to .468" and the casehead stays at .472".

[Bastard]

The .45 ACP die is similar. I just sized a bunch of Winchester range brass and measured .467" at the neck and .473" at the base. In contrast, my standard Redding .45 die sizes 80% of the case to .468" and the casehead stays at .472".

standard carbide Redding die or is it steel I have heard that the steel, non carbide, dies actually do a better job sizing but have never tried it for myself...

on a side note I had a Redding 45 carbide die with a cracked carbide ring (was like that when I bought it, used) called Redding & not only did they answer the phone but without question they told me to just send it in & they would replace the die free of charge.

[J-cat]

My standard die is carbide.

I loaded up some rounds using 230FMJ@1.275" and could feel the additional neck tension. The resulting round does not like a coke bottle. Rather, it looks like a factory round with a cannelure at the base of the bullet.

I think this die will really shine with the newer and dimensionally larger "dot Federal dot" cases. They are .002" larger at the base and get molested by a standard sizer. They tend to nosedive in a 1911 because they look like a belted mag and hit the feed ramp at a downward angle.

[jonzer77]

My standard die is carbide.

I loaded up some rounds using 230FMJ@1.275" and could feel the additional neck tension. The resulting round does not like a coke bottle. Rather, it looks like a factory round with a cannelure at the base of the bullet.

I think this die will really shine with the newer and dimensionally larger "dot Federal dot" cases. They are .002" larger at the base and get molested by a standard sizer. They tend to nosedive in a 1911 because they look like a belted mag and hit the feed ramp at a downward angle.

Do you notice any difference in setback when chambering a round? In my 1911's I get a little when I use the slide lock to chamber a round. Not a lot but I do get some setback.

[emptybottle151]

So, does it fix glock budge?

[J-cat]

Please reread my first post.

[J-cat]

Do you notice any difference in setback when chambering a round? In my 1911's I get a little when I use the slide lock to chamber a round. Not a lot but I do get some setback.

I didn't test for it but I can do that when I get home.

[Bastard]

Do you notice any difference in setback when chambering a round? In my 1911's I get a little when I use the slide lock to chamber a round. Not a lot but I do get some setback.

jacketed/plated or lead? I have found that if you expand too much you will have problems with the crimp leading to setback... not sure why, but that is what I have found.

[jonzer77]

Got Dual Carbide?

jacketed/plated or lead? I have found that if you expand too much you will have problems with the crimp leading to setback... not sure why, but that is what I have found.

Jacketed but I have found the same thing with the Winchester ranger ammo I use for SD. The setback is usually .003 and I typically only flare enough to allow the bullet to stay put and only crimp enough to remove the bell and drop in the chamber. I haven't had that happen with lead.

[J-cat]

OK.

I tested the worst and best possible scenarios:

The worst scenario consisted of a 230FMJ measuring .450" in a stainless cleaned R-P case. I tested the standard die vs the dual-ring. The setback in the standard die was .005" per cycle vs .007" in the dual-ring which imparted an additional .001" case tension. This is precisely why people hate R-P brass and the thin walls.

Then I tested the best possible scenario: Xtreme 230 plated RN measuring .452" in a Federal case. There was setback, but it took three cycles to set the bullet back .005" using the dual-ring die. To my surprise, when I tried it using the standard die, no setback occurred. That's right, zero setback.

When I looked closely at the bullet noses I noticed the impact marks were located differently. With the dual-ring die the marks were on the sides of the nose and looked round and flat. With the standard die the marks were right on the tip and they looked like chisel marks. But no setback. They felt the same during seating and the DC die creates more tension. Weird.

[J-cat]

Oh, I did not flare and crimped only enough to remove the flare I did not create

[stilly]

What is the meaning of this?

BAH! snake oil! Go back to Lee Carbide...


Actually, I thought this might have been a good idea when I saw them listed in the redding catalog last year, but I did not think to get any.

But now I am wondering, HOW the hell yall measure the case mouths accurately?

I mean, if you measure them they flex in. So how you know what accurate it? Maybe you just squeezed a tad harder?

How do you properly use these calipers to measure the case mouth diameter?

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Yeah go ahead, I am waiting... :\

I hate calipers. I am only good at measuring things that are harder to affect. Like OAL and hmmm, nails.

[jonzer77]

OK.

I tested the worst and best possible scenarios:

The worst scenario consisted of a 230FMJ measuring .450" in a stainless cleaned R-P case. I tested the standard die vs the dual-ring. The setback in the standard die was .005" per cycle vs .007" in the dual-ring which imparted an additional .001" case tension. This is precisely why people hate R-P brass and the thin walls.

Then I tested the best possible scenario: Xtreme 230 plated RN measuring .452" in a Federal case. There was setback, but it took three cycles to set the bullet back .005" using the dual-ring die. To my surprise, when I tried it using the standard die, no setback occurred. That's right, zero setback.

When I looked closely at the bullet noses I noticed the impact marks were located differently. With the dual-ring die the marks were on the sides of the nose and looked round and flat. With the standard die the marks were right on the tip and they looked like chisel marks. But no setback. They felt the same during seating and the DC die creates more tension. Weird.

That is weird but thankfully the setback is minor.