How much was primer before the panic?

[0321jarhead]

Is it the manufacture raising the prices or is it the gun store retailer? All in all it sure is not good for us consumers.

[micro911]

Federal Gold Medal match primers were $35 per 1,000.

[asm_]

Is it the manufacture raising the prices or is it the gun store retailer? All in all it sure is not good for us consumers.

I don't believe any one is raising price. It is simply supply and demand. In every level of the distribution channel, there are buyers and sellers. During the panic, the problem starts out at the retailer level. When all the retailers ran out of the inventory, they all ask the regional distributor for more inventory. The regional distributor will now face with a problem (or should I say opportunity?), demand out grow the supply available. The end result is the inventory goes to the highest bidder. The same thing repeat at the next level of distribution channel all the way to the manufacture.

So, if people (we) all expect the price of the ammo/component will fall soon, we'll buy only what we need, and demand will drop and price will drop. Simple economic 101.

B

[bender152]

So, if people (we) all expect the price of the ammo/component will fall soon, we'll buy only what we need, and demand will drop and price will drop. Simple economic 101.

While it sure would be nice if this happened (prices drop to pre-panic levels), and I hope they do, the issue is not so cut and dry here in CA.

There have been several bills introduced that would affect our ability to purchase ammo and/or components.
(List of bills here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=653087)
If any of these bills pass, that will have a negative impact on prices, driving them up further.

If/when prices do fall, it will probably be after we know which bills become law.

However, even if we look at the best case scenario and none of the bills pass, history still tells us that the price of ammo rarely ever goes back to what they were pre-panic. Below is a post I made in another thread.

If the "panic of 2008" was any indication, ammo prices will see a gradual decline, but it will be a slow process. And even then, who knows if we'll ever see $300 cases of .223/5.56 again.

Below is a chart of ammo prices from 2004 to 2007. (Taken from ar15.com.)




Unfortunately it doesn't go past 2007, but based on memory, ammo prices skyrocketed in late 2007 as it became obvious Obama would be our next president. Prices were nowhere as bad as they are today, but $400-$500 cases were the norm. This lasted well into 2009.

After that, late 2009, prices slowly leveled off. Cases could be found for less than $400 (a deal at the time). Then they were $375. Then they were $350.

In 2011, prices bottomed out and if you were a smart shopper (waited for sales or coupons), cases could be had for $300... the same price they were in 2007.

Basically, it took 4 years for prices to drop back down to what they were before the panic and even then, it only lasted a few short months.

[bender152]

And to answer your question, this time last year, I paid $127 for cases (5k) of SRP and SPP. This was at the gun show and includes tax.

[Inkman]

$125.00 per 5K WLP from PV for the longest time.

And yes, i stocked up quite nicely. Along with powder. Can never have too many components.

Al

[damndave]

About $25 per 1K of Winchester, CCI, Remington. Wolf/Tula was $15 per 1K.

[asm_]

And to answer your question, this time last year, I paid $127 for cases (5k) of SRP and SPP. This was at the gun show and includes tax.

I agree that price does go up in the long run due to inflation . However, what we experienced in the past few months goes beyond the growth rate you have shown in your graph. Primers are being sold at $60 even $90 per 1k. The crazy part is, people are actually buying at those prices. If major brand primers were been sold at $23 per 1k (($127 - tax)/5 = $23)), a normal projected price growth for now should be no more than $25 ~ $27, not $60.

All in all, this is fear driven demand. It will eventually go away.

Now, let's talk about the anti-2a bills that are been introduced in the past few months. Many of them are so poorly written if you read the text in the bill, it almost look like they wanted the bill to be defected. For that, call me crazy but I have few theories on why those bill are so poorly written.

First, Dem that are introducing these bills are so incompetent at their job that they can't really do anything else. Introducing Anti-2A bill is their way of getting "sound bit" on the news and publicity. After all, they have to justify their existent. I'm not saying we here at CGF shouldn't put up a fight. The matter fact, the Dem expect us to put up a fight. It's political tango that simply needs to go on and cost tax pay millions of dollar each year.

Second, let's just if a Dem politician, a easy way to make money is invest in firearm companies and to introduce couple of anti-2a bill. Drive up the fear and make some money. You get the idea.

Oh yeah, you can add this to your chart. The price of primers did come down in the past few year. Immediately after Obama was elected president in 2008, gun show primer price was at $35 per 1k. So, since you were paying $23/k, the price did came down from the 2008 fear driven price spike.

B



Call me crazy, but I truly believe that

[DeerHunter30.06]

7.99 wolf 1k 14.99 base line brand 19.99 bench/mil

[the86d]

$119 @ a gun show for 5k of Winchester SPP, AND 5k CCI #41 (Hard Cup) were the same.

[NotEnufGarage]

Ammo and primers are made from metal.

Metal prices have been going up.

Ammo and primer prices will continue to increase. There may be temporary price reductions when and if there is excess supply, but that will be short lived.

[FX-05 Xiuhcoatl]

$20-$25 for 1k

[Excaliburr]

Seems like you guys down south are lucky. Up here LGS sell primers for close to $50 per 1K and they have a waiting list. Pre panic prices were about $30 per 1K. I don't think the price is coming down anytime soon because once the public accepts a price, then coming down from that is a slow process. Primers will need to sit on LGS shelves for 6 months before the owner will react. We all just need to get together and do group buys and stick it to the small shops that become too greedy. Just buy your guns there and nothing more for awhile. Small shops depend on the extras to make their living. Pre-Panic gun shops would sell you a gun at 10% above cost. Now they don't have to and they know it. Consumers have the power in their wallets, we just need to be watch ourselves and our buying for awhile and wait this thing out. I have taken the time to learn something new, casting, which I haven't done before and didn't think I would have to. Unfortunately if I want to continue shooting like I want to, I cannot afford not to cast at this point. I only see prices continually moving forward and my income and purchasing power moving lower.

[Bill Steele]

Ammo and primers are made from metal.

Metal prices have been going up.

Ammo and primer prices will continue to increase. There may be temporary price reductions when and if there is excess supply, but that will be short lived.

Well actually industrial metal prices have not gone up much at all in recent years. Off the lows of the financial collapse, definitely, and for a brief time during China's development boom that peaked in mid-2011, but they have fallen steadily since to levels basically unchanged in 3 years. There are many who trade in the commodities complex that believe prices would be far lower but for the "expectation" that Ben will get prices going again, I mean if QE Infinity doesn't do it, everyone expects Ben to announce QE Infinity AND BEYOND!.

While I agree it looks like Ben will be successful in his quest to spark inflation, and if he is, primers may not see their low prices of the Obama lull between elections. If for some reason Ben fails in getting inflation going, then the financial collapse that follows will make the Great Depression look like happy days are here again and everything will start to get really inexpensive again, for those that is, who actually have money to spend. Having plenty of primers on hand, while maybe a poor financial play in this case, may still prove out to be a good strategic one.

Geez, I sound like a primer salesman...

[bruce381]

before clinton 10 per K
no bama first time 25-30
no bama now 40-50
Hillary 100