44mag 240gr PHP + AA7 & H110 Range Results

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Are you FLIRTEN wit' me?


LMAO...

Okay, Seriously now. (if that is possible)

This is kinda like SCUBA Diving now that I think of it. Sure it is fun and you REALLY should keep a LOG of all your dives but then again, loading up a certain load aint gonna be taking me 35' under water in Catalina where I can die from not having OMFG, I just realized how AWESOME that would have been for me to shoot my Deagle under water that one time instead of that lil 9mm that I shot. BTW, if you EVER shoot a gun under water, it is VERY loud. Even when you are 90+ feet under water and on the bow of the Olympic or whatever sunken boat is over there off the coast near Avalon... Oh, and the boat captain and all of the folks on the boat will hear it and it WILL attract harbor police too so at least WARN them...

Anyways, sorry, gonna have another entry on my to do list once I am off the no dive list.

Here is the info on why I did THAT load:

The Book of Lee says that that load is for a LEAD bullet and it was supposed to produce a 1283 velocity. Now that I have sucked up all of the information there is out there I wanted to spit it back out and verify what I have been reading. The Book of Lee states that you can take this up to 17.5gr.
I just wanted to see if there was any difference between real world copper plated vs lead loads. It looks like there is not so why do they publish this? HOWEVER, the load that was SECOND was actually for a Copper plated load and BOLEE had it moving at 1293 with 15gr. It appears that BOLEE is off compared to what I do. (Oh the SHOCK!)

Yes. I do WANT to take it higher and I will do that and maybe when I go out in a couple of days I will test it as well.

I will make another string of those along with the H110 at a higher charge and see how well they do.

I need to return back to city hall on Monday so while I am there I will use the range as well. Should only take about 20 minutes to test them out. I think I had to stand back farther though because there might have been more of a blast in the front. I will do it about 10-15' back this next time. Should not be too hard.

OoOoOoOo! I love Excel files! I use Excel to make labels for all of my CDs that I burn for the same reason, okay, actually it is because I use 100 pack spindles and I can not write that small... Sure I will gladly accept an excel file as long as there are no strings attached. And it does not mean we are going steady... :O

You must like yer guns a LOT to have nightmares about them. I have only had 1 dream with the deagle and it performed beautifully. (but let's not go there right now, that is for another post another time..)

IF you are in Fontana, what range would you recommend? I know there is one in Colton/SBDoo run by two white guys that stare intently at you until you go and shoot. They did not bother me though since they let me take home all the brass I could scrounge but that was some time ago. And I did kinda agree that just because we have the right to keep and bare arms does not mean that everyone SHOULD own a gun.. LoL.

All kidding aside though were you the one that told me that you had a Deagle once and it was in 50 AE and if I made bullets you would let me shoot them outta it because I did not yet own a 50 AE? Boy I am glad that I did not take you up on that offer yet. You might have been out a gun and I might be out a hand or two. But I have learned a LOT since then so things will be good when that happens now. And you should not be out a gun and I should have all fingers and hands when I am done.

Let me do some more loads with those and get a string of 5 recorded. I am also going to crimp a bit tighter to see if it kicks up the speed a bit.

OH, and those did feel nice and soft BTW. They all fed properly.

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Here is a shot of how I mark my test loads. Different permanent marker colors on the head-stamp let me know which rounds are which, just in case they get mixed up.

THAT is a good idea. I saw someone else do that and they said that it makes their brass easy to spot when they pick it up. I did it ONCE with my 9mm WST loads that I shot and they were all good but I did not notice anything special so anyways, Now I should go get some more sharpie markers because the BIG STICK and the 44 MAGNUM markers SUCK at marking on brass...

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Are you FLIRTEN wit' me? Sorry, no Bromance here we will just have to be friends


LMAO...

Okay, Seriously now. (if that is possible)

This is kinda like SCUBA Diving now that I think of it. Sure it is fun and you REALLY should keep a LOG of all your dives but then again, loading up a certain load aint gonna be taking me 35' under water in Catalina where I can die from not having..........

Yep, this hobby isn't usually life and death. I keep records to reduce the amount of work I do. I like to develop good loads for my guns, but I don't want to repeat what I have already tried. I am lazy or unconcerned with some of the things people do while reloading, but others get my full attention. It can't be all work and no fun.

Here is the info on why I did THAT load:

The Book of Lee says that that load is for a LEAD bullet and it was supposed to produce a 1283 velocity. Now that I have sucked up all of the information there is out there I wanted to spit it back out and verify what I have been reading. The Book of Lee states that you can take this up to 17.5gr.
I just wanted to see if there was any difference between real world copper plated vs lead loads. It looks like there is not so why do they publish this? HOWEVER, the load that was SECOND was actually for a Copper plated load and BOLEE had it moving at 1293 with 15gr. It appears that BOLEE is off compared to what I do. (Oh the SHOCK!)

Yes. I do WANT to take it higher and I will do that and maybe when I go out in a couple of days I will test it as well.

I don't know why they list copper plated or lead differently. There are many variables to account for. You might get the plated bullet and #7 to work well as an inexpensive load.

I will make another string of those along with the H110 at a higher charge and see how well they do.

I need to return back to city hall on Monday so while I am there I will use the range as well. Should only take about 20 minutes to test them out. I think I had to stand back farther though because there might have been more of a blast in the front. I will do it about 10-15' back this next time. Should not be too hard.

OoOoOoOo! I love Excel files! I use Excel to make labels for all of my CDs that I burn for the same reason, okay, actually it is because I use 100 pack spindles and I can not write that small... Sure I will gladly accept an excel file as long as there are no strings attached. And it does not mean we are going steady... :O I'll send them over. Don't get your hopes up, I'm just trying to be a nice guy.

IF you are in Fontana, what range would you recommend? I have gone to rancho magnum range-they just got a new back stop and I'm not sure if hollow point bullets are ok. Raahauges toward the 15/91 is the best for outdoor shooting. Anything goes there and I have access to a huge amount of steel targets there. It runs $30 for 2+ hours on a private berm. The RO only goes by once in a while-Don't get any funny ideas now feller.

All kidding aside though were you the one that told me that you had a Deagle once and it was in 50 AE and if I made bullets you would let me shoot them outta it because I did not yet own a 50 AE? Boy I am glad that I did not take you up on that offer yet. You might have been out a gun and I might be out a hand or two. But I have learned a LOT since then so things will be good when that happens now. And you should not be out a gun and I should have all fingers and hands when I am done.

Sorry, not me. I never talked about having a DE or 50 AE. Maybe that was someone else. It looks like you are a quick study though. I would hate to see someone get hurt doing this hobby.

Let me do some more loads with those and get a string of 5 recorded. I am also going to crimp a bit tighter to see if it kicks up the speed a bit.

OH, and those did feel nice and soft BTW. They all fed properly. That's awesome

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Pm me your email address and I will send those two files, no strings attached.

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Well that is GOOD to know.

I musta been drunk earlier on. No wait, that is my demeanor all the time.

Any day that I return in ONE piece and in my own car after shooting my reloads is a GREAT day for me.

BTW, I just loaded up 20 more of the AA7 loads in 16.2 +/-.1 and then another 20 of the H110 in 23.5...

I will be testing them out on Monday.

DAYAMN that is an expensive date... Raahauges is a decent place? Are you a member or is this the public price? My friend and I were checking them out one day and SOMETHING about them irritated me, either the price or, ya know, I think it was like, "Hey if you pay a bazillion dollars you can be a member for a year and then you can bring a guest or family member for half a bazillion dollars more each time!"
"How many is a bazillion?"

SO, although it WOULD be nice to have a place to shoot my PTR and see how it performs. What does having a berm mean? How long a range is that?
Sounds like fun. I am down for that. WHO knows, you might even make a member out of me... (wait, that sounded bad, no PUN intended there...)

Hmmm, yeah, you said you were not sure of yer deagle but damn, who was it then? Oh well, I will find out some day. He was in Fontana or Rialto I think. Imma have to check the old posts.


f4tweet: Yeah glad to hear that cause I got a load to try out too, is yours around 18gr and what size barrel are you shooting out of?

Damn we need to start a 44mag division of calguns. :O

SOCAL 44MAG CLINIC!

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I have used the Lee Modern Reloading (Second Edition) for several years. On Page 649 there is an area for 44 Mag with plated bullets using Accurate #9, #7, and #5.

#9
Starting 18.0 Gr.-1370fps----- Maximum 20.0 Gr. 1507fps 40,000 CUP 1.575 OAL

#7
Starting15.0 Gr.-1293fps ----- Maximum 16.8 Gr. 1437fps 37,300 CUP 1.575 OAL

This load data is greater than the Accurate website!

The AA-9 loads were fired out of a Ruger Super Blackhawk with a 9 1/2 inch barrel. I would not go near the max without working your way up safely, and shooting it out of Ruger. My .02

Well that is good to know. MOST of my loads either start from the BOLEE, BOLY or the internet so far.

If I recall correctly the ACCURATE loads were all for the plated bullets (I mean where they have them grouped together.)

So my test loads were a mixture of those and the load data for the lead and for load data with jacketed bulets, except I used plated on all of them.

I shot my loads (LOL!) yesterday after kicking them up a bit and I hit 2000+ FPS with no copper fouling. Well, according to the chrony they were going 2000+ by the end of the day so they MUST have been correct... Yeah all of the shots I did yesterday I THINK were a waste of time since the longer I was out there the faster they got. I THINK I should not have had the diffusers over the chrony. I was like, HEY! 1738 with a AA#7 at 16.2 gr? WOW! NO WAY! I think that if I published that inaccurate data that someone might not get my sarcasm and have a heart attack. Now I know to use the diffusers ONLY in the brightest part of the day. But Imma check with those Competition Electronics folks with that...

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For your original loads in the first post, the velocities jibe with almost exactly what I generated with QuikBooks (they have Rainier bullets in their database), using your components, OAL and barrel length. Your pressure with 15.8 gr. AA # 7 would be around 23700 psi (SAAMI max is 36000 psi) The 23 gr. H110 load is actually generating ~100psi less pressure and ~50fps greater velocity.

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For your original loads in the first post, the velocities jibe with almost exactly what I generated with QuikBooks (they have Rainier bullets in their database), using your components, OAL and barrel length. Your pressure with 15.8 gr. AA # 7 would be around 23700 psi (SAAMI max is 36000 psi) The 23 gr. H110 load is actually generating ~100psi less pressure and ~50fps greater velocity.

STOP.. What is QuikBooks? I am assuming you are not talking about the accounting program here...

AND...

What velocities should I have gotten with 16.2gr of AA#7 and then with 23.3gr of H110.

I tell you that the chrono had me hitting between 1700-2048 FPS with 23.3gr of H110 and between 1231 (I think) -1770+ with 16.2gr AA#7.
Funny how every round seemed to be higher then the next and there were a few duplicates.

I will gladly retrieve my string information except that I think is is BULL****. I already sent an e-mail off to competition electronics asking what I need to do because I REALLY do not believe those results, but there were 0 errors...

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STOP.. What is QuikBooks? I am assuming you are not talking about the accounting program here...

Mis-typed: That's QuickLOAD V. 3.6 reloading software...its a nice tool but not a substitute for published data.....Are your Rainier 240 gr. bullets 0.700" long? Sometimes they don't have the correct dimensions for some things and there is a need to change the fields.

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Mis-typed: That's QuickLOAD V. 3.6 reloading software...its a nice tool but not a substitute for published data.....Are your Rainier 240 gr. bullets 0.700" long? Sometimes they don't have the correct dimensions for some things and there is a need to change the fields.

I just took one reading and got .697 so I think we can say YES to that.

How do you use that program to generate loads?

I think I had gotten an older verion, 3.2 or something and I was trying to figure out how to generate load data because one guy gave me a list of loads to try with his 50 AE bullets but damn, that aint flying for me over here. It is nice to have something that points you in the right direction for starting things.

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I don't use it for starting things, I do exactly what you did.......use a manual. Once I have the chrono readings and inspect my spent brass for signs of overpressure, I return to consult QuickLOAD. If the software agrees with the results it gives me an idea of how much wiggle room I have in bumping up a load. I usually never go to max. But I do load 23 gr. W296 behind Hornady 265 gr. JSP's shooting out of an 8 3/8" barreled 44 mag. This is pretty much a hunting load. I was using 15.5 gr. W296 behind 158 gr. bullets in .357 mag. until I found a sweet load of 13.1 gr. 2400 was much more accurate but slower in my 6" Python. Plus my brass lasts longer.

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something was off with your chrony. That can't be right. I got 1900 fps with a 240 grain bullet and 45 grains of h110/win296 out of my 460. My load was a little slower than what the books listed.

I use a CED M2 chronograph. I have only used it outside with the diffusers. I didn't think to try it without, I'll have to read up on that.


Raahuages is all about the money. I couldn't see ever getting a membership there. They have sporting clays stations as well, but it costs about twice as much as shooting skeet or trap at another range. I am not into sporting clays yet.

It is $30 per person for 2+ hours, public price. When it is very busy you might only get 2 hours. I got 4-5 hours the few times I went. The berms range from 20-40 yards for the private berms (an area 100' wide or so by up to 50 yards deep, surrounded by hills of cow **** on three sides). You can't see or get hit by other shooters on the berms next to you. It is as close to blm land as you will get in the city. You can pretty much do what you want and go down range anytime. They have a 100 yard rifle range, but it is shared with up to 6 people at one time. They do have benches and seats at the rifle range. There is one multi use berm that is 70-100 yards deep also.

I help out a club at that range and have access to the steel targets. (very fun) I have only used the club's targets once on my own so far. I usually just shoot the competition that the club sets up.

I saw some of your old posts and say who you are referring to with a DE. Looks like he is in the same area.

How about making that a hand cannon club instead of a 44 mag club? I don't have a 44 right now, those are for girls




J/K

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something was off with your chrony. That can't be right. I got 1900 fps with a 240 grain bullet and 45 grains of h110/win296 out of my 460. My load was a little slower than what the books listed.

I use a CED M2 chronograph. I have only used it outside with the diffusers. I didn't think to try it without, I'll have to read up on that.
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I saw some of your old posts and say who you are referring to with a DE. Looks like he is in the same area.

How about making that a hand cannon club instead of a 44 mag club? I don't have a 44 right now, those are for girls

J/K

HEY NOW!

I never painted my Deagle PINK! (this was the last thing you said but the first thing that I am addressing...)

Yeah Those loads I did left one barely visible skidmark in the barrel and then a few shots later it was gone. I think the 1200 fps records might be closer to correct. I almost got a CED M2 but I wanted to give the pro chrony a chance since it was lower priced and had a LOT of great reviews.

Is there any other powders that would give me a nice shockwave with the 44 or do I have to stick with the H110? Damn I love that thump I feel. Makes me envision explosions going off everywhere and Michael Bay super dramatic instrumental music playing and then I look around to see if Bumble Bee is going to skate across my field of view...

I am down for the range visit. Steels targets sound cool. Plus I wanna see if there is a guy named Hawk who sells bullets for dirt cheap...