More bad ammo...

[510GUY]

Get your money back tell him you don't fell safe firing this ammo.

[Dark Mod]

Just something for you to think about: If you dont leave negative feedback he will be free to screw any one of us over. Dont think of it as punishing him, but more like your helping out the community. I wouldnt buy ammo from some guy who had negative feedback for something like this

[Noonanda]

If ammo I bought had loose bullets or primers, I would have looked at the bases to see if they were reloads. There will be a visable ring about 1/8" above the casehead. The resizing mark is very apparent. I have fired thousands of surplus 8mm in my 2447. And none have had any lose components. The military is very observant and will NOT let this pass QC. Even in the 1939. The only problem I had is when I bought some with corroded pimmer pockets. I knew better than to fire those and I know a reloaded cartrige when I see it.

Well you might not have fired enough 8mm then, cause there was alot of turk ammo that had loose bullets and cracked necks after 60+ years of questionable storage, this is common knowledge to most collectors ( i bought bandoleers of this a few years ago just to pull down for components). It wasnt like the turk army inspected this right before it got sold. it has probably been in the surplus market chain since the 60's, The turk is now drying/dried up but some of us still have small stashs of it. and unless you have berdan primers you aint reloading this, but again the brass is already questionable and you would get splits trying to resize it.

As far as your problem, It does seem fishy, I would contact the seller and have him address the problem, he sent you the wrong ammo. You asked for Remington, he sent you taiwanese. That taiwanese surplus has been cycled through a weapon, but the same thing happened with the Taiwanese .30-06 from about 4-6 years ago. I got some of that ammo straight from century with loose bullets, or ammo with dents and dings that you can tell was cycled through a garand. The Taiwanese government sold it as Scrap to someone who then sorted through most of it and some bad ammo got through. Now its up to the seller to try to make things right.

[Two Shots]

Are all the headstamp the same? Contact the seller as Noonanda has said and see what he has to say, it could just be an oversight on the sellers part.

Just as a safety point : Pull some of the bullets and check to see if the powder is within the same weight, they may have been cranked out in someones garage/hut who didn't give a ****.
The bullet (cannelure) depth doesn't look uniform.

[diginit]

Are all the headstamp the same? Contact the seller as Noonanda has said and see what he has to say, it could just be an oversight on the sellers part.

Just as a safety point : Pull some of the bullets and check to see if the powder is within the same weight, they may have been cranked out in someones garage/hut who didn't give a ****.
The bullet (cannelure) depth doesn't look uniform.

You make a good point. I was just taking as second look and none of the bullets are crimped! I have never seen M/855 (or any military ammo) with an uncrimped bullet. The OAL in not uniform. The primers are visably set back from the crimp. The primer pockets look reamed with a pocket cleaner. The crimp looks intact, But is flush with the inside of the pocket. Looks like I could seat a primer without reaming...WTF??? This just keep getting worse and worse... I'm going to bed. I'll deal with it after work tomorrow...

[damndave]

Those definitely look like bolt marks. Check to see if the headstamps match as well to make sure they aren't reloads. If the primer pockets are crimped, you know they aren't reloads as well.

Before anything, I would contact the seller and try and settle the dispute. Also get the Federal's you bought.

[Triple R Munitions]

are all the headstamps from the same year? was the ammo packed in cardboard or loose clips?

take apart a couple of the "bad" rounds to see if the brass is clean on the inside. that will tell you if the brass is unfired or not...

my .02... this is a bummer
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[tankerman]

I wouldn't shoot it.

If you found 31 that are obviously bad, there are likely many more that have serious non-visible case damage.

additionally, if the person that reloaded them was so careless in their handling and inspection of the cases, then I would also doubt their ability to reload ammo safely.

You've been scammed, demand a refund.

[fabguy]

I don't see the annealing burns on the cases, all of mine (1K+) have annealing marks on the casings. I personally would ask that he fix this problem as you had asked for a different mfg to start with and he sent the other. I know who you are speaking of because I almost bought a can from him a while back but desided not too.

[grant22]

Why would I lie?

Oh, I'm not saying you would, but I believe in being fair and subjective. For me to do that, I have to 'assume' your story is accurate. Nothing personal. It just 'is.'

[brownfeathermedic]

Diginit, I know your pissed! This happenned to me also,be super glad you had the where -with all to have noticed the technical oddities of your ammo before you shot,or a loved one shot it! Try to think of it more as Averting Catastrophy.

[gemini1]

Well except for the punctured round (#2), I have had this type of dings and dents on bulk ammos I bought from Palmetto. Except for one round that looks like your # 1 round, I shot all of them and turned out okay.

[diginit]

gemini1,
You got lucky. I had a 9mm rifle slamfire and blow on an open bolt once. My hand went numb and there were no signs of entry. Didn't think much about it... 3 months later, I pulled 3 large chunks of casing out of my hand. Took along time to work it's way out. Had a 45ACP rnd discharge in the mag of a 1911. And this was good ammo. dirt in the mag. follower stuck. A rnd stood up under recoil and the next recoil sent end of the follower into the primer. It was kind of funny. The bullet landed in the chamber like it knew where it was supposed to go...
I know better that to fire bad ammo. The seller just offered me 40 bucks back. Now he wants more pics. He asked me if the bullets are magnetic...??? I shoot in the desert at Tannerite targets. I don't care about magnetic. I told you there would be excuses, right? FK.
I just want my money back. But I wondering if I will have to do it the hard way. Through CG. I hate to see charges of selling reloads and fraud pressed. But I'm getting tired of this already and I didn't buy a can of ammo just to spend hours examining each round. Once I make the complaint, It is up to the DA. I am giving the seller the chance. He said he got it from a friend. He got it from his friend. and so on. no telling who loaded this stuff. Everyone that bought it sold it to someone else. Wonder why...Unfortunately, Liability goes to the guy that sold it to the person that discovered it. I refuse to be left holding the Sh*tty end of the stick or resell kr*p. Too many of the bullets are crooked. The primer pocket walls are straight. Looking closely the casehead. There is a circle, But no lip covering any part of the primer. And too many have cycling marks, Dents with brass so thin I could stick a pin through or an actual hole in the case.

[stand125]

Does the seller have much feedback for selling ammo? I only ask because unless you know what to look for like alot of do then the seller may have got what he thought was a smoking deal with the intent to make some money by reselling it. I would definately do a little more reseach before sending the DA after some person who would not know a reload from a Surplus round or a magnetic round from a non magnetic round.

[mydogsmonkey]

Alright first I'm gonna start off saying I'm the seller in question here.

Now, first I want to say I don't know why he first didn't come to me about all this, and how he had to go complaining to you guys about it all?

Diginit- Like I said, as a grown adult I think you should've came to me. I'll give you a full refund plus shipping on the count that its the wrong brand from what you asked for. That was my mistake. As far as the dings and scratches, you do realize you bought surplus ammo right? It was probably through a couple sets of hands before it ended up to me like I've said. I've shipped this ammo to many different people and have had many people that were happy. I don't understand how this could possibly be reloaded considering that every single headstamp I saw for the ones I looked through were 09. Like I said, I've sold over 40 cans so it makes it a bit impractical for me to look through every single round but the fact that you accuse me of hiding it to try and make a cool buck is very offensive. I'm just a college kid trying to make some extra money to make my way through school while feeding my hobby.

As for the thinking you're not smart because you're funny? Please explain to me what that exactly means. I don't really make assumptions about any buyers especially when I've had over 40. Again makes it a little impractical.

What does introducing yourself do as far as making anything better or would have made anything better? And you did in a way when you asked if I had a sister that was 40-50 and told me where to find you on all those social networking sites.

*as a note to everyone else, I would like to say he hasn't messaged me until tonight.

Now Diginit, why does hell have to arise? Why can't we talk it out like grown adults when things go sour? We could've solved this off the public forum. Again I'll take the ammo back, I'll probably end up shooting it to make a point or two. And yes, I did get it from my friend who got it from another guy. I have no reason to trust my source, as to his, possibly. I'll be giving him a call.

For those saying it could've been fro a screwed up AR pattern rifle. Why not? It tends to be the most commonly issued type rifle for MIL/LEO types around the country, I don't see why that can't be the case. Again its surplus ammo, and I didn't get a chance to take a look at every can. This should be obvious to the fact that I accidentally shipped him the wrong ammo? If I was trying to screw him, wouldn't I have shipped him the right ammo to not cause suspicion of the ammo? Makes sense to me anyway. And yes, every single can that I have checked, looked to be 09. The reason why I never questioned the fact it was reloaded is because every single round showed 09 I checked. I';m not currently at home so I can't check but I'm thinking the bullets should be magnetic to prove they are most likely penetrator rounds. I haven't looked around much but I don't see very many loose magnetic 5.56 bullets. I also don't see why anyone would sort brass through to specific years, load it with a magnetic bullet, then paint all them green, clip them all, and even go as far as bandoleering all of them to make them look authentic? But again maybe I'm wrong. Obviously I haven't had enough suspicion to look into it with paranoia. Thanks for hearing me out.