More bad ammo...

[diginit]

Just purchased 840 rnds of Military 855 from a CG'er on the FS forum. They were shipped packed in clips in a can. I started putting them in bandos and noticed a few flaws. Dangerous flaws.


The first rnd is bent and has bolt scratches on the reverse side. The 2nd, is punctured at the shoulder. I can see through the case...#3, 4 and 5 are very thin. #6 looks like bolt marks to me, The last 4 are not that bad, But i don't want to fire them. The brass is thin or deeply scored. I have 31 rounds like this. The scratches in the paint tell me they were cycled in a malfunctioning semi auto rifle and passed on to me. Funny that all of these were found near the center of the clips with only 1 bad round per clip. Kind of a drag. I haven't left feedback yet. I would like some opinions first. TIA.

[Darklyte27]

Too bad you didnt inspect first.
any refunds?

[jonc]

sucks

that sucks!!!!!!!!!

[diginit]

I couldn't inspect it. It was shipped from Burbank. I guess I should have known better that to trust anyone... Like he thinks I'm stupid because I have a sense of humor? My profile pics are meant to be funny. It takes a brain to have a sense of humor.
I have never given a CG'er a Negative feedback. The one time I needed to I got a refund. I wonder if his mauser blew up shooting corroded primer pockets...
I guess I should have told this guy to go to Diginit @ photobucket, Diginit @ FB,
or Diginit3 @ Utube to introduce myself first. If I am correct in my diagnosis of this ammo. This may be my first negative feedback with this post's addy for a reference.
Am I right or wrong? CG'ers chime in!

[grant22]

I couldn't inspect it. It was shipped from Burbank. I guess I should have known better that to trust anyone... Like he thinks I'm stupid because I have a sense of humor? My profile pics are meant to be funny. It takes a brain to have a sense of humor.
I have never given a CG'er a Negative feedback. The one time I needed to I got a refund. I wonder if his mauser blew up shooting corroded primer pockets...
I guess I should have told this guy to go to Diginit @ photobucket, Diginit @ FB,
or Diginit3 @ Utube to introduce myself first. If I am right in my diagnosis of this ammo. This may be my first negative feedback with this post's addy for a reference.
Am I right or wrong?

Assuming your side of the story is accurate, ans assuming he advertised as new or functioning ammo, you are right and he is wrong.

i would definitely start a dialogue with him asking for your money back, including shipping costs.

You know, it's sellers like that that screw it up for us all!

Also, if you are unable to resolve, I'm sure no one here would mind hearing who the culprit is.......maybe even let him tell his side of the story in this thread.

Good luck!

[diginit]

Why would I lie? I sent a USPS MO for $250 for this ammo. He had 2 cans left. 1 Federal and 1 Taiwanese I asked for the Federal and he sent me Taiwanese. Of which, 31 rounds are unshootable. I'm still too pissed right now to respond to him and I would not be polite. Otherwise I would have updated his Itrader yesterday when I got the ammo. Does it look to you like these rounds have been chambered and jammed? It does to me. I just want a second opinion before hell arises. The dents from the chamber side of the bolt lock look familiar. So do the bolt marks. I just want to be sure before I call someone a cheat and a seller of ammo that could blow up a rifle in someones' face.

[Briancnelson]

That ammo has clearly been through a screwed up AR pattern rifle from those dents. Sadly I recognize them from an issue I had not long ago :P

No way those accidentally made it to the middle of a clip imo.

[gunboat]

I presume:
The cans were not sealed.
The seller packed the ammo.
Damage was done before clipping ammo.

If seller clipped and packed the ammo he is guilty of fraud.
That kind of damage makes the rest of ammo suspect as to origin.

He should take the ammo back for a full refund or at the very least give you a big discount.
my tuppence

[stand125]

Why would I lie? I sent a USPS MO for $250 for this ammo. He had 2 cans left. 1 Federal and 1 Taiwanese I asked for the Federal and he sent me Taiwanese. Of which, 31 rounds are unshootable. I'm still too pissed right now to respond to him and I would not be polite. Otherwise I would have updated his I trader yesterday when I got the ammo. Does it look to you like these rounds have been chambered and jammed? It does to me. I just want a second opinion before hell arises. The dents from the chamber side of the bolt lock look familiar. So do the bolt marks. I just want to be sure before I call someone a cheat and a seller of ammo that could blow up a rifle in someones' face.

So 31 rounds out of 840. I would be upset to, but you stil have alot of good ammo. You also asked for a second opinion and then sound offended when someone give a neutral opinion by stating that " Assuming your side of the story is accurate, ans assuming he advertised as new or functioning ammo, you are right and he is wrong". I agree and I would be upset also if everything happened like you said, which we have no reason to believe otherwise. I would not give negetive feedback untill I heard his reason why he sent the wrong stuff. Was the bad stuff on top or buried in the middle of the lot to where he may have not seen it. I bought a bunch of Turkish 1944 8MM surplus before and found about 5 percent had loose bullets or bad primers. The seller would not have known unless he inspected every bullet before I bought it. It was annoying, but I had no reason to believe, or no proof that he new that some of the ammo was bad.

[cntrolsguy]

So you have not contacted the owner yet?

[diginit]

It did sound like he was doubtful of my truthfullnes. and I was offended by the statement." If your side of the story is accurate" Like I said... Why the FK would I lie??? I'm still offended. Gunboat... George, The ammo was sent on clips in a can. But shipping could not make these dents and scratches when only one damaged round was in the CENTER of each of 31, 10rnd clips... If there were 2 bad rounds on even one clip. I would have reservations. But there was not. Can you say "setup"? I have seen the bolt marks from both the chamber and bolt side of an AR before. As for the reason for shipping the wrong stuff... I think he thought he had a sucker on the line instead of a trout... I doubt this was a mistake. Read my post again.

[diginit]

So 31 rounds out of 840. I would be upset to, but you stil have alot of good ammo. You also asked for a second opinion and then sound offended when someone give a neutral opinion by stating that " Assuming your side of the story is accurate, ans assuming he advertised as new or functioning ammo, you are right and he is wrong". I agree and I would be upset also if everything happened like you said, which we have no reason to believe otherwise. I would not give negetive feedback untill I heard his reason why he sent the wrong stuff. Was the bad stuff on top or buried in the middle of the lot to where he may have not seen it. I bought a bunch of 1944 8MM surplus before and found about 5 percent had loose bullets or bad primers. The seller would not have known unless he inspected every bullet before I bought it. It was annoying, but I had no reason to believe, or no proof that he new that some of the ammo was bad.

If ammo I bought had loose bullets or primers, I would have looked at the bases to see if they were reloads. There will be a visable ring about 1/8" above the casehead. The resizing mark is very apparent. I have fired thousands of surplus 8mm in my 2447. And none have had any lose components. The military is very observant and will NOT let this pass QC. Even in the 1939. The only problem I had is when I bought some with corroded pimmer pockets. I knew better than to fire those and I know a reloaded cartrige when I see it.

[stand125]

It did sound like he was doubtful of my truthfullnes. and I was offended by the statement." If your side of the story is accurate" Like I said... Why the FK would I lie??? I'm still offended. .

You seriuosly need to take step back and and take a chill pill if you want anyone to offer advice. Not one person has taken his side over yours, and everyone so far has been very sympathetic towards your plight considering we only have one side of the story. I hope everything works out between you and the seller.

[diginit]

I could care less about 31 FK'n rounds. It's the thought that If I didn't see the hole in the shoulder of the 2nd round in the above pic and fired it. What do you think would have happened? If this was sold to a newbie that didn't know much about ammo and he just put it into a mag and squeezed it off, What would happen? Heaven forbid that the rifle owner gave it to his girlfriend to shoot. You look at the picture. Knowing there was only one round near the center of 31 clips that was damaged. and tell me the seller didn't know again. Yes.. I AM pissed. Not about a lousy 20 bucks for 30 rnds. But for the person that could have fired these thinking they were OK to shoot. Please look at the pic again and tell me what you think. James.

[diginit]

You seriuosly need to take step back and and take a chill pill if you want anyone to offer advice. Not one person has taken his side over yours, and everyone so far has been very sympathetic towards your plight considering we only have one side of the story. I hope everything works out between you and the seller.

Maybe tomorrow I will mellow out. Thanks for the advice. Right now I really feel that the seller knew what he was doing. Although I doubt he will ever admit it. I'm sure there will be some excuse involved. Have you ever met a two faced person that didn't say "I didn't do it?" You just have to go from what you know and feel in your gut.
I don't want anyone to take sides. Just give me your honest opinon of the dents in the pic. I'll take it from there. Thanks.