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  • grant22
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 625

    That's a valid point, but the only way I'll have any written correspondence is if I hire a 'pro,' and I don't think I'll be going that route.

    The only thing I can suggest if any of you want to hear what they say directly is:

    1) Contact them and speak to Eric. It's as easy as dialing 800-762-3845 and asking for him. Refer to 'Grant's primer incident' and he should recall.

    OR

    2) Contact Eric at Dillon and invite them to respond on this thread.

    I invite it, because at least you guys will be able to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. At this point, though, I'm not calling them any more.
    Reloaders: Stay safe, even the things you don't see may bite you. Read more here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=495909

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    • Anchors
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2010
      • 5940

      As someone who is about to just get into reloading, I would be very curious to see Dillon respond to this thread.
      This has me kind of spooked about the whole thing now though lol.

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      • Lead Waster
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Sep 2010
        • 16650

        I once forgot to put the primer magazine into the magazine holder of my 550b, then pulled the pin on the pickup tube and jammed the magazine holder full of primers. Nothing detonated, I got lucky. Getting them out of that holder was a PITA. But lesson learned, I gotta be more careful! End of CSB.
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        • HighLander51
          Banned
          • Feb 2010
          • 5144

          Originally posted by RyanAnchors
          As someone who is about to just get into reloading, I would be very curious to see Dillon respond to this thread.
          This has me kind of spooked about the whole thing now though lol.
          Except you would need to consider the tens of thousands of shooters running Dillon progressives, and other progressives using tube fed primers,for decades that have never had an issue.


          From post # 99

          What is Lead Styphnate? (what's in the primer cup)

          Lead Styphnate is classified as an extremely sensitive initiating explosive. According the MSDS it is not flammable or combustible. It will explode at high temperatures (626 Deg. F) and becomes unstable with mechanical shock, impact or electrical (static) discharge.
          from the MSDS http://www.design.caltech.edu/microp...n/msds_w79.pdf

          Also the OP believes the ambient humidity was around %15 RH on the day of the incident. That increases potential static voltage by 20 times over %60 RH.

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          • Lancear15
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 2629

            Thanks for sharing, never would have thought it possible.
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            • Lancear15
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 2629

              Originally posted by HighLander51
              Except you would need to consider the tens of thousands of shooters running Dillon progressives, and other progressives using tube fed primers,for decades that have never had an issue.


              From post # 99

              What is Lead Styphnate? (what's in the primer cup)

              Lead Styphnate is classified as an extremely sensitive initiating explosive. According the MSDS it is not flammable or combustible. It will explode at high temperatures (626 Deg. F) and becomes unstable with mechanical shock, impact or electrical (static) discharge.
              from the MSDS http://www.design.caltech.edu/microp...n/msds_w79.pdf

              Also the OP believes the ambient humidity was around %15 RH on the day of the incident. That increases potential static voltage by 20 times over %60 RH.
              If static did have something to do with it, grounding the press alone wont solve your problem, you would have to ground yourself also.
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              • OHOD
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                CGN Contributor
                • Jan 2009
                • 11047

                I've read this entire thread and it seems the focus has been on electrical discharge.

                I would like to offer a possible alternative cause.

                The column of primers effectively made a "fire piston".
                When the primer pickup tube was turned over, the primers acted as a piston and created a tiny spark. Probably a very tiny spark.

                If you've never seen a fire piston in action, here is a video of one.

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                • Lancear15
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2629

                  Originally posted by OHOD
                  I've read this entire thread and it seems the focus has been on electrical discharge.

                  I would like to offer a possible alternative cause.

                  The column of primers effectively made a "fire piston".
                  When the primer pickup tube was turned over, the primers acted as a piston and created a tiny spark. Probably a very tiny spark.

                  If you've never seen a fire piston in action, here is a video of one.

                  No way, that requires way more pressure than could have been built in this scenario.
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                  • HighLander51
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 5144

                    If static did have something to do with it, grounding the press alone wont solve your problem, you would have to ground yourself also.

                    Yes, I posted earlier on how to build a static ground bench from a company that installs that. Lead Styphnate is very sensitive to static discharge, and very low humidity increases your chances of developing a very high potential charge.


                    Fire piston, yea, well, take a primer, put it cup down in the driveway, and start hammering on it. The static discharge from the OP's post occured when the primers made electrical contact with the drop tube, not from impact.

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                    • Cokebottle
                      Señor Member
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 32373

                      Today was not a good day for reloading.

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                      I was wearing a 100% cotton shirt.

                      The vest stuck to me when I removed it!
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                      • sfbfriend
                        Junior Member
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 2

                        Static

                        You could take the Static thing a little further and instead of cloves they have grounding bracelets that go from your wrist to ground so you stay ground as long as you are hooked up. I work with Static sensitive equipment and this is what we use, as well as a grounding mat and of course our chairs are grounded too. I think However the grounding strap would suffice. Thanks for sharing and I hope you are healing well.

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                        • EL_NinO619
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 1519

                          This Thread is not dead yet..
                          se carga el diablo de la pistola...
                          .223, .25acp, 25-20win, 9mm, 38spl/.357, 10mm .308, 8mm M, 7mm Rem Mag, 45acp, .475 Wildey mag
                          On 2 Hornady LnL AP & Dillon Super 1050

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                          • Synergy
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • May 2008
                            • 14303

                            Grant- If you would have bought a Hornady, you wouldn't have had this problem. LOL
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                            • Deadon
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 9975

                              Just a thought. I bought some fabric spray for static. I own some sweat pants that cant seem to kick the static no matter what I do. So I spay this stuff and its gone. Maybe it could be used on self and around the loader before reloading?
                              Lions not sheep.

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