help me order a dillon 650 setup

[grant22]

101.95 dillon deluxe quick change kit.

It's good to have two powder measures for convenience I find. (One set up for small powder bar & one for the large powder bar for pistol and rifle calibers) I wouldn't suggest you get a measure for each conversion as its simple to adjust and dial in your powder and pop it from one tool head to another.

The most helpful is having a tool head for each of your dies & powder funnel. That way you set and adjust them up once and your good to go! You made a good choice going with the 650!!!

These two points X 1,000,000

Adam, other than the above, definitely think about getting the 650 DVD BEFORE you order. It will familiarize you with the machine before you buy and it can point you in the right direction as far as the accessories.

I'm not familiar with the 650 since I have a 550. But in my opinion, the roller handle, strong mount, and bullet tray have been GREAT accessories. If the 650 has a tool holder option, it's good too.

I went with Enos and was VERY satisfied with his service, fast shipping,and good customer service too. He has a forum on his site, also. It's a very helpful forum.

Good luck.

[Bongos]

the roller handle, strong mount, and bullet tray.. you will want these after a few hours on the press.

Also your 45ACP plate can be used for 308, 30-06, 270, etc... just need the caseffeder attachments.

Glad you went with my advise, did you call Rick at Phillips Wholesale before you place the order as I suggested, he might of had one in stock

[hayaku]

hey khanh, yes, rick did not have a unit in stock but said he would have to charge tax. so i called brian enos who ships for free.

brian did walk me through the other calibers and what we would need to order for the next add ons. said not to buy the full kits for the same reason you pointed out, so he is legit and is looking out for his customers.

hey grant, i've been watching tons of 650 videos on youtube and ultimatereloader.com dude has excellent overviews on it. yep, i got the roller handle kit from brian's as it should be kit. we're covered there.

brian agrees with joelogic on not getting the powder check or case gauges for the same reason joe pointed out.

i did talk brian into agreeing that a dedicated toolhead was a good idea for just rifle brass prep with the universal decapper die. clean the brass, run it through the 650 to deprime, move it over to the swaging station, and then swap tool heads without making adjustments....

[problemchild]

Power trimmer
JP case gauge for 223
Lyman M die for 223
Aluminum roller handle the plastic one will bother your hand after hundreds of rounds
2 calipers with auto on and the stoney point (hornady) headspace bushing (223)
large tumbler
large media separator
Quick change
2 powder checks
2nd primer station (small or large, opposite of what you now have)
3-4 spare tool heads
10,000 rds once fired LC Brass
48lbs WC 846
6,000 Hornady 55gr BTHP-WC (.007c each weideners)
------------------------------>>>Powder check is a MUST!! Saved my butt 2x now. The only reason I run a 650 is the powder check! (the wing nut loosened up on the powder safety bar and the funnel started dumping erratic loads). I can visually see where my powder throw is by watching where the powder alarm lands in the V notch.


toolhead 1 223

carbide sizer
dillon power trimmer 1200
Lyman M die


Toolhead 2

universal decapper (to knock out corn media from primer hole)
powder funnel/die
powder check
seater
crimper (just kiss the neck by .0005)

[hayaku]

hey pc, got a pic of your setup? i like how that sounds... especially the trimmer on toolhead 1.

[crazychinaman]

You will love the 650.Had mine for about ten years,I own two dillion sqaure deals for my pistols.They are are about thirty years old.Also, Remember to order some spare parts in case you break them and don't want to wait for the free new ones to come .Yes the Dillion gurantee is correct.You break it ,parts are free for life.Also,wear safety glasses.

[Bongos]

"brian agrees with joelogic on not getting the powder check or case gauges for the same reason joe pointed out."

Still for 45ACP, I think the powder check is a good idea, you will sleep better for the $67. As far as for 223, if you double charge you will know it as powder will be all over the place..

Anywho, congrats on your XL650, we are pretty close in proximity, if you need me to come over to help you set up, let me know (learning to do it on your own is fun as well and rewarding, the XL650 is not too complicated)

[Eargasm]

mark: what is the $25 bullet feeder? i was thinking of adding one of the auto bullet feeders later but pricing has them around the $400 mark...

It's actually $28.00

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=468400&highlight=bullet+feeder

[hayaku]

woah... nicely done... im gonna have to get some load tubes now hahaha

[problemchild]

"brian agrees with joelogic on not getting the powder check or case gauges for the same reason joe pointed out."

Still for 45ACP, I think the powder check is a good idea, you will sleep better for the $67. As far as for 223, if you double charge you will know it as powder will be all over the place..

Anywho, congrats on your XL650, we are pretty close in proximity, if you need me to come over to help you set up, let me know (learning to do it on your own is fun as well and rewarding, the XL650 is not too complicated)

Not running a powder check is a bad idea. Things happen other than double charges. Ive seen erratic (40-49-38-41-45gr etc) load throws occur (because I had the powder check) on the 650 as explained above.

Heres a 45 double charge on a 550. Lots of fun watching ( and feeling) your 900 dollar gun go up in smoke.

[hayaku]

when i spoke with brian, we spoke about the powder check not being able to validate consistency, so its pretty much the same as looking in the case after the powder dump.

if i ever get to the stage where i can trust it and not look, i could always add on powder check or a lock out die system. otherwise, i plan on looking at each every case after the powder dump. perhaps i'm paranoid, but i don't see myself mindlessly cranking away like in some youtube videos... probably too many hours behind a single stage press lol

i won't really know till i get this all set up and come right back saying "dammit.. i shoulda listen to you guys" lol

[Bongos]

when i spoke with brian, we spoke about the powder check not being able to validate consistency, so its pretty much the same as looking in the case after the powder dump.

if i ever get to the stage where i can trust it and not look, i could always add on powder check or a lock out die system. otherwise, i plan on looking at each every case after the powder dump. perhaps i'm paranoid, but i don't see myself mindlessly cranking away like in some youtube videos... probably too many hours behind a single stage press lol

i won't really know till i get this all set up and come right back saying "dammit.. i shoulda listen to you guys" lol

Been there, done that... you will see, the powder check is more for Double charge or no powder at all indications, depending on powders like 231 or H335, the Dillon powder drop is within .1-.2 grn variance, when you go to extruded powder it can vary as much a .2-1.0 grn variance, if you are planning to go for accuracy in say a 308 where extruded powders like RL15 and Varget, the single stage loader is the way to go, if it's blasting ammo, then 748 will be the ticket in the Dillon. Same thing with 223 loading 55gr/62 bullet, H335 and 748 is like sand, where if you need to load varget in a 69gr or 77gr, than single stage is the way to go (Match ammo requires the time).

[problemchild]

Been there, done that... you will see, the powder check is more for Double charge or no powder at all indications, depending on powders like 231 or H335, the Dillon powder drop is within .1-.2 grn variance, when you go to extruded powder it can vary as much a .2-1.0 grn variance, if you are planning to go for accuracy in say a 308 where extruded powders like RL15 and Varget, the single stage loader is the way to go, if it's blasting ammo, then 748 will be the ticket in the Dillon. Same thing with 223 loading 55gr/62 bullet, H335 and 748 is like sand, where if you need to load varget in a 69gr or 77gr, than single stage is the way to go (Match ammo requires the time).

Powder checks allow you to visualize where the powder is in the case by watching the > slot and alarm trigger impact within it.


Single stages are not needed if you know what you are doing. Unless you want to load 1k benchrest bullets.
I have fined tuned my 650 to throw the exact same charge every time and shoot sub 1/2 inch groups with regularity. The key is to run a ball powder and polish the powder funnel and sliders.

3 shots xbr powder (stick)


5 shots military surplus ball powder


Above targets shot with a standard battle carbine, not benchrest gun.

[hayaku]

nice shooting pc!!! that 2nd target done with the wc846 and hornady's recipe you just got? i too have nicer ar's that should be able to do that, but i won't be putting a scope on them anytime soon. they just have aimpoint t1's and irons for fast engagement at the carbine classes i run in. but it's nice to know the accuracy is there if when i need it.

thanks for the GREAT TIP on sanding and polishing the powder funnel and sliders. makes perfect sense to do so. i'll do that to my setup while putting it together (hopefully it gets here tomorrow).

hey khanh, for all the precision stuff, i still plan on doing that on the rock chucker single stage. but its nice to see that you can mass produce sub moa ammo quickly on the 650. if i ever get as good in reloading quality control like pc, i may just switch to the 650 for everything

[Bongos]

nice shooting pc!!! that 2nd target done with the wc846 and hornady's recipe you just got? i too have nicer ar's that should be able to do that, but i won't be putting a scope on them anytime soon. they just have aimpoint t1's and irons for fast engagement at the carbine classes i run in. but it's nice to know the accuracy is there if when i need it.

thanks for the GREAT TIP on sanding and polishing the powder funnel and sliders. makes perfect sense to do so. i'll do that to my setup while putting it together (hopefully it gets here tomorrow).

hey khanh, for all the precision stuff, i still plan on doing that on the rock chucker single stage. but its nice to see that you can mass produce sub moa ammo quickly on the 650. if i ever get as good in reloading quality control like pc, i may just switch to the 650 for everything

Actually, I think PC's gun is a LMT MWS, the only Semi-308 to acheive half MOA (which is very hard to do)... Don't know any other Semi-308 which can replicate