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  • #16
    bigbossman
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2012
    • 10862

    Originally posted by ar15barrels
    All the new kids think there's no value in paper/ink books and that you can find it all online.
    My reloading bookshelves say otherwise.
    I keep a loose leaf 3-ring binder with load data sheets from various sources that I've collected over time. I also keep a spiral notebook that details my load development for the various cartridges I load for. That has come in handy on more than one occasion.
    Always looking for vintage Winchester and Marlin lever action rifles. Looking to sell? Know of one for sale? Drop me a line!

    "Give a conservative a pile of bricks and you get a beautiful city. Give a leftist a city and you get a pile of bricks."

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    • #17
      TAS
      Probationary Member
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jun 2009
      • 1247

      Originally posted by anyracoon
      Pet Loads by Ken Waters
      It?s on my list of must haves.
      NRA Life Member

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      • #18
        Tripplet918
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2022
        • 883

        I had a veteran tenant who passed away with no relatives.

        I took on his gun book collection. It had a lot of very old load manuals. I regret throwing them out.

        I did keep his vast collection of military rifle and pistol books.

        I threw stuff out because I took on 8 moving boxes of books, and couldnt keep them all.

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        • #19
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 56951

          Originally posted by bigbossman
          Barrel is 24", COL is 1.62, and it was about 90 degrees out when I fired the test group.

          Thanks!
          Code:
          Cartridge          : .32-20 Win.
          Bullet             : .312, 100, Hornady HP/XTP 32070
          Useable Case Capaci: 17.090 grain H2O = 1.110 cm?
          Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.620 inch = 41.15 mm
          Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
          Powder             : Alliant Reloder-7 ?, Temperature: 90 ?F
          
          Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
          incremented in steps of 3.125% of nominal charge.
          CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
          
          Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
           %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms
          
          -31.3   72    11.00   1269     358    8455   1014     51.2    2.312
          -28.1   75    11.50   1326     390    9240   1098     53.3    2.218
          -25.0   79    12.00   1383     425   10107   1184     55.3    2.127
          -21.9   82    12.50   1442     462   11062   1272     57.4    2.041
          -18.8   85    13.00   1502     501   12115   1362     59.5    1.958
          -15.6   89    13.50   1562     542   13278   1454     61.6    1.879
          -12.5   92    14.00   1624     586   14566   1547     63.7    1.804
          -09.4   95    14.50   1687     632   15992   1640     65.8    1.731
          -06.3   98    15.00   1751     681   17574   1734     67.8    1.662
          -03.1  102    15.50   1816     732   19335   1828     69.9    1.595
          +00.0  105    16.00   1881     786   21299   1922     71.9    1.531
          +03.1  108    16.50   1948     842   23493   2014     73.8    1.469
          +06.3  112    17.00   2015     901   25961   2105     75.8    1.408  ! Near Maximum !
          +09.4  115    17.50   2083     964   28737   2195     77.7    1.350  ! Near Maximum !
          +12.5  118    18.00   2152    1029   31879   2281     79.5    1.295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
          +15.6  121    18.50   2222    1097   35448   2365     81.3    1.242  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
          
          Results caused by ? 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
          Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
          +Ba    105    16.00   1930     827   22590   1988     74.9    1.490
          Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
          -Ba    105    16.00   1831     744   20065   1850     68.7    1.575
          Randall Rausch

          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
          Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
          Most work performed while-you-wait.

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          • #20
            bohoki
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 20771

            i'm reliant on the ones on the archive.org i do have an old lyman book with some obsoletes though

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            • #21
              NapalmCheese
              Calguns Addict
              • Feb 2011
              • 5939

              Aside from the manuals I give to friends to get them to start reloading, I keep all mine and find old ones when I can.
              Calguns.net, where everyone responding to your post is a Navy Force Delta Recon 6 Sniperator.

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              • #22
                BIGOX
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 945

                I recently added speer reloading manuals #2 & #4. Wildcat loads
                Reloading Supplies of all types (PRESSES, POWDERS, PRIMERS, DIES, BRASS, MANUEL'S, TRIMMERS, LEAD, CASTING EQUIPMENT AND MORE) (NEW, USED, OLD, VINTAGE, DISCONTINUED, HARD TO FIND)
                WHAT DO YOU NEED?
                https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1608381

                I'll put together another parts and gear ad soon.

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                • #23
                  bigbossman
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 10862

                  According to that chart, I can run it up to over 16 grains? Damn - I'm only at 12..... but it is working really well for me so I think I'll stop there.

                  Originally posted by ar15barrels
                  Code:
                  Cartridge          : .32-20 Win.
                  Bullet             : .312, 100, Hornady HP/XTP 32070
                  Useable Case Capaci: 17.090 grain H2O = 1.110 cm?
                  Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.620 inch = 41.15 mm
                  Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
                  Powder             : Alliant Reloder-7 ?, Temperature: 90 ?F
                  
                  Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
                  incremented in steps of 3.125% of nominal charge.
                  CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
                  
                  Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
                   %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms
                  
                  -31.3   72    11.00   1269     358    8455   1014     51.2    2.312
                  -28.1   75    11.50   1326     390    9240   1098     53.3    2.218
                  -25.0   79    12.00   1383     425   10107   1184     55.3    2.127
                  -21.9   82    12.50   1442     462   11062   1272     57.4    2.041
                  -18.8   85    13.00   1502     501   12115   1362     59.5    1.958
                  -15.6   89    13.50   1562     542   13278   1454     61.6    1.879
                  -12.5   92    14.00   1624     586   14566   1547     63.7    1.804
                  -09.4   95    14.50   1687     632   15992   1640     65.8    1.731
                  -06.3   98    15.00   1751     681   17574   1734     67.8    1.662
                  -03.1  102    15.50   1816     732   19335   1828     69.9    1.595
                  +00.0  105    16.00   1881     786   21299   1922     71.9    1.531
                  +03.1  108    16.50   1948     842   23493   2014     73.8    1.469
                  +06.3  112    17.00   2015     901   25961   2105     75.8    1.408  ! Near Maximum !
                  +09.4  115    17.50   2083     964   28737   2195     77.7    1.350  ! Near Maximum !
                  +12.5  118    18.00   2152    1029   31879   2281     79.5    1.295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                  +15.6  121    18.50   2222    1097   35448   2365     81.3    1.242  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                  
                  Results caused by ? 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
                  Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
                  +Ba    105    16.00   1930     827   22590   1988     74.9    1.490
                  Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
                  -Ba    105    16.00   1831     744   20065   1850     68.7    1.575
                  Always looking for vintage Winchester and Marlin lever action rifles. Looking to sell? Know of one for sale? Drop me a line!

                  "Give a conservative a pile of bricks and you get a beautiful city. Give a leftist a city and you get a pile of bricks."

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                  • #24
                    Sandspider500
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2018
                    • 1133

                    That's interesting where it put 11fs, as every lot I've had has been slower than w-296, I've also found tcm to be almost a dead ringer for 2400.
                    Originally posted by Palmaris
                    You should not worry about me. This web site is monitored by all kind of authorities and if they found this kind of post credible enough as threat, they might want to start investigation. I have no idea what can be outcome. Just saying.

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                    • #25
                      ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 56951

                      Originally posted by Sandspider500
                      That's interesting where it put 11fs, as every lot I've had has been slower than w-296, I've also found tcm to be almost a dead ringer for 2400.
                      Powders perform differently at different pressures.

                      Code:
                      Cartridge          : .32-20 Win.
                      Bullet             : .312, 100, Hornady HP/XTP 32070
                      Useable Case Capaci: 17.090 grain H2O = 1.110 cm?
                      Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.620 inch = 41.15 mm
                      Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
                      
                      Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
                      Matching Maximum Pressure: 30000 psi, or 206 MPa
                      These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
                      C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
                      loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
                      that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
                      and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
                      USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
                      
                      6 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 50%. These powders have been skipped.
                      Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                                            %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
                      ---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
                      Hodgdon Lil'Gun                     96.9     15.9     1.03    2267    96.4    30000    2496   1.272  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Norma R123                          84.7     13.3     0.86    2230   100.0    30000    2044   1.304  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Winchester 296                      94.9     16.1     1.04    2222    86.4    30000    2494   1.298  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Hodgdon H110                        94.8     16.0     1.04    2181    89.7    30000    2354   1.315  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Vihtavuori N110 *C                 106.0     14.2     0.92    2173    95.8    30000    2188   1.303  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Norma 200 *C                       126.5     19.5     1.26    2169    77.4    30000    2456   1.307  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Ramshot Enforcer                    85.0     13.7     0.89    2142    95.9    30000    2112   1.324  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Vihtavuori N125 *C                 114.6     16.8     1.09    2137    85.1    30000    2269   1.316  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Alliant 2400                        84.2     12.6     0.82    2118    94.7    30000    2060   1.334  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Vihtavuori N120 *C                 121.1     17.4     1.13    2110    83.8    30000    2250   1.328  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      SNPE Vectan BA6?                   114.2     14.8     0.96    2109    97.4    30000    1979   1.321  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Alliant Reloder-7                  117.5     17.9     1.16    2106    77.3    30000    2223   1.329  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Accurate 4100                       87.7     14.3     0.92    2101    91.9    30000    2050   1.337  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Accurate No.11 FS                   96.8     15.8     1.02    2090    84.4    30000    2095   1.333  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Vihtavuori N105 *C                  87.9     10.8     0.70    2077   100.0    30000    1634   1.332  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Shooters World Heavy Pistol         73.5     12.4     0.80    2075    96.6    30000    1916   1.344  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Accurate No.9                       74.2     12.4     0.80    2075    96.6    30000    1916   1.344  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Hodgdon H4227                      108.2     15.6     1.01    2074    81.8    30000    2104   1.338  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Accurate No.7                       66.3     11.3     0.73    2073    99.5    30000    1816   1.345  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Shooters World Major Pistol         66.3     11.3     0.73    2073    99.5    30000    1816   1.345  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
                      Code:
                      Cartridge          : .32-20 Win.
                      Bullet             : .312, 100, Hornady HP/XTP 32070
                      Useable Case Capaci: 17.090 grain H2O = 1.110 cm?
                      Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.620 inch = 41.15 mm
                      Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
                      
                      Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
                      Matching Maximum Pressure: 15000 psi, or 103 MPa
                      These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
                      C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
                      loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
                      that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
                      and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
                      USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
                      
                      43 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 50%. These powders have been skipped.
                      Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                                            %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
                      ---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
                      Norma R123                          65.8     10.4     0.67    1816    98.8    15000    1785   1.697
                      Hodgdon Lil'Gun                     76.1     12.5     0.81    1769    84.2    15000    1883   1.700
                      Winchester 296                      74.7     12.6     0.82    1733    72.8    15000    1787   1.740
                      Hodgdon H110                        74.5     12.6     0.82    1709    76.8    15000    1713   1.744
                      Vihtavuori N110 *C                  82.0     11.0     0.71    1702    84.3    15000    1632   1.734
                      Norma 200 *C                       104.3     16.1     1.04    1692    62.8    15000    1779   1.751
                      Ramshot Enforcer                    64.9     10.5     0.68    1677    84.9    15000    1560   1.762
                      Vihtavuori N105 *C                  66.2      8.2     0.53    1675    98.5    15000    1378   1.752
                      SNPE Vectan BA6?                    87.0     11.3     0.73    1651    86.7    15000    1478   1.763
                      Vihtavuori N125 *C                  89.8     13.1     0.85    1651    70.2    15000    1582   1.762
                      Alliant Reloder-7                   94.1     14.3     0.93    1638    63.2    15000    1567   1.784
                      Accurate 4100                       67.2     10.9     0.71    1637    79.5    15000    1477   1.782
                      Alliant 2400                        62.7      9.4     0.61    1635    82.9    15000    1462   1.794
                      Vihtavuori N120 *C                  95.8     13.8     0.89    1631    68.1    15000    1554   1.791
                      Alliant Reloder-10x *C             102.6     15.3     0.99    1623    58.6    15000    1590   1.791
                      Accurate No.11 FS                   75.2     12.2     0.79    1621    70.5    15000    1465   1.780
                      Shooters World Heavy Pistol         54.5      9.2     0.60    1608    85.9    15000    1379   1.809
                      Accurate No.9                       55.1      9.2     0.60    1608    85.9    15000    1379   1.809
                      Hodgdon H4227                       84.0     12.1     0.79    1606    67.4    15000    1437   1.785
                      Accurate TCM                        54.6      8.9     0.58    1599    87.2    15000    1347   1.815
                      Randall Rausch

                      AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                      Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                      Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                      Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                      Most work performed while-you-wait.

                      Comment

                      • #26
                        Spyder
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 16801

                        Want to send me all of your 25-20 data you can find? I've got a bunch of rifles in that and have a blast shooting them.

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                        • #27
                          bigbossman
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 10862

                          Originally posted by Spyder
                          Want to send me all of your 25-20 data you can find? I've got a bunch of rifles in that and have a blast shooting them.
                          8gr of 2400 under a 75gr Speer HotCor works well for me. I saw a recipe for 11gr of RL-7, but have not tried it. 12gr in the 32-20 works very well though so 11gr should not be an issue..... no warranty, expressed or implied. Your mileage may vary.

                          Also - there is a lot of data for that caliber using 4227. That powder is pretty much a "go-to" for 25-20 and 32-20.
                          Always looking for vintage Winchester and Marlin lever action rifles. Looking to sell? Know of one for sale? Drop me a line!

                          "Give a conservative a pile of bricks and you get a beautiful city. Give a leftist a city and you get a pile of bricks."

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