Impossible Shoulder bump?

[fguffey]

Whereas the O-frame presses like the RCBS can easily take that force.

The RCBS RC locks-up, it jams the linkage, it spreads the parts apart, in my opinion it is a bad habit. I have said many times my Rock Chucker is not a cam over press, I have said when the RC goes into a bind the top of the ram is shoved forward and the bottom of the ram is forced backwards, meaning when when the ram is up it can not be straight if the user is using a heavy hand.

If what I say is true? I have never found a reloader that was a high energy reloader, getting their hands out of their pockets required too much effort on my part. To prove the ram is kicked back at the bottom and forward at the top remove the die and then carefully lean over and look down at the top of the ram while raising the ram. When the ram reaches the bottom it is kicked forward at the top and backsword at the bottom.

And then there is the curiosity of the reloader, they acquired a press, understanding how it function was not required, not required but all they did was make this stuff up.

Try to remember, I suggested you remove the die, when sizing a case the die centers/aligns the case, again trying to overcome the case's ability to resist sizing is a bad habit because of the linkage going into a bind. But why worry, you knew none of this existed for all 0of these years. and you missed it when members decided RCBS was having their presses made in in another country, they thought the ram was flopping back and forth. They did not know the die aligned the case on presses made in the U.S. and other countries. I had a Rock Chucker that had a very ruff life, I was sizing a stack of cases and then suddenly and without a warning it came apart. I called RCBS, I blamed my wife, RCBS would have no part it it, they offered me another press and I did not want to exchange my press for a press that was not made in this country so they sent me parts for the repair and I am happy and pleased with their service.

The part that absorbs all of that force is the part that came apart.

F. Guffey

[fguffey]

You are describing what is happening with brass flow in different words and talking a bit past others, it took a bit for me to figure out that. This whole conversation is going in repetitive circles.

You claim the datum moves toward the neck, I said my cases do not have head space, I said I scribed a line on the shoulder of the case, at worst it is an artifact. All I wanted to determine was the direction of brass flow. Reloaders claim they bump the shoulder back, they also claim they move the shoulder back and I have always said I find it impossible to move the shoulder back and at one time I claimed the die had case body support but that one sailed over everyone's head. Most of my seating dies do not have case body support, without case body support it is possible to crush a case at the case body shoulder juncture with too much crimp, I guess all of that information is a burden for a reloader to remember.

Again, we get to the case head, there were opportunities for someone to jump into the fast lane. Forever it has been impossible for reloaders to determine the effect firing a round in a chamber has on the case.

Case head expansion: I have expanded the diameter of case heads by .010". Never have I expanded the diameter of a case head with the flow of brass, I have expanded the diameter of the flash hole with high pressure, I have expanded the diameter of primer pocked with high pressure and I have crushed the case head and made it thinner and that made the case heads larger in diameter and I have made tools that allow me to measure the case head. And then there are a few measurements that can be made with a little of nothing.

Reloaders claim they must have case life. I guess that is a condition they have to repeat when trying to convince someone they know how to reload.

Boring story, I purchased 4 Mausers that were advertised as being suspect. I wanted the receivers and the bolts, the bolts were toast but the seller made them good. I used one barrel to test the 4 receivers. The barrel was a Wildcat 30 Gibbs, when I checked the receivers and bolt I did not find .001" difference in the length of the chamber from the bolt face to the shoulder of the chamber.

Forming cases: I used a 200 grain bullet with the maximum load of Dupont 4895 for a 150 grain bullet. It was then I was told I was going the blow the rifle up and I wondered so I called Hodgdon, I told them I thought the load I selected was the perfect fire forming load. They agreed and then they qualified their answer, they said that load would be the maximum load for that rifle/chamber after the cases were fireformed. I tested all 4 receivers with the one barrel and bolt, the formed cases were perfect without case head expansion. I measured before and again after.

F. Guffey

[fguffey]

It seems to me you have done a lot of development, especially with the number of dies you have, yet in the years you have been posting I haven't seen anything that I'm really committed to believing because you go one way then it seems another from post to post where I can't follow your logic.

And that is OK, I was asked to help recover 4 consignments that belong to a neighbor, they had no one else. I told them I would go but I needed a reason. The first consignment I returned with a signed receipt stating he did not have 12 items and he claimed he did not sell the items. I returned with 14 items my neighbor did not know he had, so I was to recover 150,000 dollars, instead I came back with 400,000+ of consignment. the next day I called her to inform her I needed the addresses for the business in Colorado and Huntington Beach, California, and she said NO! NO!, they called and said they crated everything up and were shipping with a tracking number today and I thought that was nice.

And then I said that leaves Washington D.C. And she said NO! again. She said her lawyer said absolutely not, she said the man in Northern New Mexico claimed he did not want to be in the same town I was in and he claimed he never wanted to be in the same business establishment I was in again. I said something like "back to your lawyer, she said he never expected to see a dime from from anyone over this deal. I told her have a made a few friends in D.C., she said the lawyer decided to write-off the D.C. loss now she can get her liver transplant.

You would not believe all of the excitement I caused in D.C. I was not there but the man left the building hollering and screaming and using the lords name in vain and my name in Maine or Spain. A MARINE HONOR GUARD informed everyone I was not there.

F. Guffey and I have said "what is it to me, this noisy ride"

[thegiff]

And that is OK, I was ...

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F. Guffey and I have said "what is it to me, this noisy ride"

Just got back from a work trip. So the non-sequiturs are on purpose. Got it.

I broke a vise once. Took 5 years and lots of beating on it with a 4 foot extension. At the time I weighed 98 pounds. Abuse is abuse.

[bigbossman]

Good Lord.

[LynnJr]

And that is OK, I was asked to help recover 4 consignments that belong to a neighbor, they had no one else. I told them I would go but I needed a reason. The first consignment I returned with a signed receipt stating he did not have 12 items and he claimed he did not sell the items. I returned with 14 items my neighbor did not know he had, so I was to recover 150,000 dollars, instead I came back with 400,000+ of consignment. the next day I called her to inform her I needed the addresses for the business in Colorado and Huntington Beach, California, and she said NO! NO!, they called and said they crated everything up and were shipping with a tracking number today and I thought that was nice.

And then I said that leaves Washington D.C. And she said NO! again. She said her lawyer said absolutely not, she said the man in Northern New Mexico claimed he did not want to be in the same town I was in and he claimed he never wanted to be in the same business establishment I was in again. I said something like "back to your lawyer, she said he never expected to see a dime from from anyone over this deal. I told her have a made a few friends in D.C., she said the lawyer decided to write-off the D.C. loss now she can get her liver transplant.

You would not believe all of the excitement I caused in D.C. I was not there but the man left the building hollering and screaming and using the lords name in vain and my name in Maine or Spain. A MARINE HONOR GUARD informed everyone I was not there.

F. Guffey and I have said "what is it to me, this noisy ride"

And then there was the time my uncle the marine honor guard buried a Kennedy and ate with the president of the United States https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries...ry?id=11957865
They discussed shoulder bumping and neck tension over dinner!!!

[Sandspider500]

Guffey?

[thegiff]

Him or his brother! Fell asleep. Had to go back and adjust how much to bill my client.