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  • LynnJr
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2013
    • 7958

    Impossible Shoulder bump?



    I have read here many many times that it is impossible to bump a shoulder with a full length die.

    So if I buy this brass with no shoulder it would be impossible to put the shoulder were I need it?

    If the shoulder was 0.001 to long I would have to throw it out because it can't be bumped back?

    How can these large companies sell brass that can never be used?
    And then there was the time my straight edge and feeler gage fixed my shellholder.
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    jimmykan
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 3093

    (The guy) will be here shortly...

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    • #3
      bigbossman
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Dec 2012
      • 11145

      Hmmm.... cam-over press, or no?


      Once upon a time a reloader used a straight edge and a feeler gauge.... no, wait.... tensions - yeah, that's the ticket, tensions.
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        TAS
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        • Jun 2009
        • 1264

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          TimRB
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2009
          • 920

          I can see everyone is breathlessly awaiting the explosion.

          Tim

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          • #6
            TomReloaded
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2013
            • 1637

            I'm concerned if it's going to have 18 neck tensions or 19 neck tensions. God save us all if it turns out to be 20.

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            • #7
              kcstott
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Nov 2011
              • 11796

              Originally posted by LynnJr


              I have read here many many times that it is impossible to bump a shoulder with a full length die.

              So if I buy this brass with no shoulder it would be impossible to put the shoulder were I need it?

              If the shoulder was 0.001 to long I would have to throw it out because it can't be bumped back?

              How can these large companies sell brass that can never be used?
              And then there was the time my straight edge and feeler gage fixed my shellholder.
              This solve my 458 Lott brass problems.

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              • #8
                Beelzy
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2008
                • 9224

                Originally posted by jimmykan
                (The guy) will be here shortly...

                Lolol
                "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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                • #9
                  divingin
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2015
                  • 2522

                  Originally posted by LynnJr
                  I have read here many many times that it is impossible to bump a shoulder with a full length die.
                  Only from one guy, though.

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                  • #10
                    bigbossman
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 11145

                    Originally posted by jimmykan
                    (The guy) will be here shortly...

                    beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice
                    Always looking for vintage Winchester and Marlin lever action rifles. Looking to sell? Know of one for sale? Drop me a line!

                    "Give a conservative a pile of bricks and you get a beautiful city. Give a leftist a city and you get a pile of bricks."

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                    • #11
                      eric n
                      Member
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 254

                      If you wanted to form that into .223, how would you do it?

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                      • #12
                        kcheung2
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 4387

                        Whomever thought of that idea is a marketing genius. Eliminate some of the manufacturing processes and thus lower the cost, but then charge 4x more because it fills an unmet niche.
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                        • #13
                          divingin
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jul 2015
                          • 2522

                          Originally posted by kcheung2
                          Whomever thought of that idea is a marketing genius.
                          Not exactly new. Remington manufactured and sold unformed cases based on the .308 cartridge some 60ish years ago, specifically for wildcatting cases. That spurred the birth of the 6mm Benchrest family of cartridges, among many others.

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                          • #14
                            jimmykan
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 3093

                            Originally posted by divingin
                            Not exactly new. Remington manufactured and sold unformed cases based on the .308 cartridge some 60ish years ago, specifically for wildcatting cases. That spurred the birth of the 6mm Benchrest family of cartridges, among many others.
                            No wonder neck turning was a thing back then!

                            You neck down the 308 case body from ~0.450" down to ~0.275" and the wall thickness becomes THICK.

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                            • #15
                              Fjold
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 22972

                              Originally posted by eric n
                              If you wanted to form that into .223, how would you do it?
                              I wouldn't, it's for forming into different calibers that don't have readily available brass.

                              If I was going to waste one case as an experiment, I would anneal it first. That blank brass is close to 35 caliber (that's what the 35 Legend looks like.)

                              So I would run it in a 300 Whisper neck sizing die, anneal it again and then a 6 mm TCU neck sizer, ream the neck to get rid of the thickness, anneal it again and then run it through a 223 neck sizing die and then inside neck ream it again.
                              Frank

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