Reloading scale

[JackEllis]

I use a Chargemaster for 90% of my loading. Works great! Prior to that I had one of the early Lyman combos
It was also, just slower.

The RCBS has few nice feathers over the Lyman. My favorite is when you place the pan back on the pad, it starts dispensing pretty quick. With the exception of large charges, it is done about the same time I am done seating the last round.

I have checked it many times against a RCBS 304 scale, always very accurate.

Gee thanks. Now you've got ME thinking about a Chargemaster. Hopefully I'll get over it.

BTW I checked my assumption earlier about changes in MV being roughly proportional to the change in powder charge by looking at some of my reloading logs. The assumption is close enough.

[longrange1]

Longrange: because of very limited time I really do not shoot a lot. Much of the reason is the time it takes to hand weigh each load. This is my whole reason for looking into an autocharge or chargemaster.

save your money and buy a chargemaster i dont think your to the point that you need a $900 dollar set up to load yet.

[sdnative13]

I am all about buy once, cry once so if spending the money will make a overwhelming difference then I'd buy the one for $900. But from what I'm hearing the difference won't be that huge. I only kick myself for not buying the chargemaster three weeks ago when it went on sale for $279.

[jimmykan]

I am all about buy once, cry once so if spending the money will make a overwhelming difference then I'd buy the one for $900. But from what I'm hearing the difference won't be that huge. I only kick myself for not buying the chargemaster three weeks ago when it went on sale for $279.

"Buy once cry once" you say?

http://prometheustoolcorp.com/pricing

[God Bless America]

Rifle shooter here. I use a beam scale to measure charges with occasional cross checks on an electronic scale. I do most of my loading while there's snow on the ground and typically do 100 cartridges a day. Charges are typically within +-.01 grain and for shots under 300 yards, that's good enough for me right now.

You throw charges to the 0.01 gr. with a beam scale?

[Tommy Gun]

Bulk Plinking ammo just get a thrower. Consistant charges for better accuracy and repeatable shots but want to save time?

Chargemaster (or equivalent) and a back up digi scale.

[sdnative13]

Jimmy you got me there. That would have me crying the whole time. Maybe if my goal was shooting peas at 1000 yrd but I will pass on that one.

[daboobe]

This keeps on ticking.

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[JackEllis]

You throw charges to the 0.01 gr. with a beam scale?

I wish! That should have read + or - 0.1 grains.

Thanks for pointing out the typo.

[Ramsh00ter]

Vote for the Chargemaster

There is a RCBS Chargemaster for sale in the Market Place for $275, not sure if he still has it.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1503846&highlight=chargemaster

Here is my take on expensive scales:

I have used them, did not see enough advantage/performance to justify the price. Maybe if I was a serious long range paper punching competitor I would.

Unless you are shooting high dollar custom rigs, waste of money.

The other part of this is, there those out there that believe it is more important to have consistent volume of powder than by weight. I'm on the fence on that debate.

A larger proportion of Short Range BR shooters use high quality powder measure like Harrells or Jones to throw their charges, me included with a great deal of success. Example attached is from thrown charges, not weighed. I have several groups hanging on the wall that we call "a Zero", under .100" five shot groups.

I did an experiment once testing between thrown vs weighed.

I threw 25 charges into glass test tubes, then weighed on friends expensive scale 25 of the same charge into glass tubes.

I am lucky enough to have access to an underground 100 yard tunnel.

Took the tubes along with my range loading equipment and my favorite BR rig. Groups with the thrown charges were just as consistent as the weighed charges (when I did my part).

I started loading 6Dasher rounds last night for a match this weekend that we will be shooting from 200 meters to 600 yards. I'm using the Chargemaster to load for the match. I am not bragging, but I have won that match more than once, so not sure why I need more accurate loads.

Spend the money on more practice, learn to read the conditions. You will be farther ahead.

JMHO

[smoothy8500]

Groups with the thrown charges were just as consistent as the weighed charges (when I did my part).

Spend the money on more practice, learn to read the conditions. You will be farther ahead.

My results with thrown/trickled comparisons are similar (NRA midrange, both highpower prone and F-class).

[JackEllis]

There is a RCBS Chargemaster for sale in the Market Place for $275, not sure if he still has it.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1503846&highlight=chargemaster

Here is my take on expensive scales:

I have used them, did not see enough advantage/performance to justify the price. Maybe if I was a serious long range paper punching competitor I would.

Unless you are shooting high dollar custom rigs, waste of money.

The other part of this is, there those out there that believe it is more important to have consistent volume of powder than by weight. I'm on the fence on that debate.

A larger proportion of Short Range BR shooters use high quality powder measure like Harrells or Jones to throw their charges, me included with a great deal of success. Example attached is from thrown charges, not weighed. I have several groups hanging on the wall that we call "a Zero", under .100" five shot groups.

I did an experiment once testing between thrown vs weighed.

I threw 25 charges into glass test tubes, then weighed on friends expensive scale 25 of the same charge into glass tubes.

I am lucky enough to have access to an underground 100 yard tunnel.

Took the tubes along with my range loading equipment and my favorite BR rig. Groups with the thrown charges were just as consistent as the weighed charges (when I did my part).

I started loading 6Dasher rounds last night for a match this weekend that we will be shooting from 200 meters to 600 yards. I'm using the Chargemaster to load for the match. I am not bragging, but I have won that match more than once, so not sure why I need more accurate loads.

Spend the money on more practice, learn to read the conditions. You will be farther ahead.

JMHO

It appears the empirical evidence confirms what I discovered from my analysis using a ballistic calculator, which is that small variations in powder charge have little or no effect on POI for up to midrange shooting.

I did a similar exercise by varying bullet weights and got a similar result, but I haven't kept the numbers. I should repeat that and provide the numbers here.

[God Bless America]

I wish! That should have read + or - 0.1 grains.

Thanks for pointing out the typo.

I was pretty jealous.

[JagerDog]

I wish! That should have read + or - 0.1 grains.

Thanks for pointing out the typo.

A good beam scale will be closer than 0.1gr in repeatability. We just don't have graduations beyond that. Pretty easy to see a kernal of extruded powder which is considerably less than 0.1 g. (like approx 0.02gr).

Digital we don't know where we are between digits.

Scales have accuracy, repeatability, resolution and sensitivity elements.

[castgold]

I tried this out to use in tandem with my Chargemaster. My velocity SD values have gone from ~25 to >10.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TDNAM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1