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First off, you threw the "idiot division" comment, so who is being childish here?
Second, there is a lot of gray area when it comes to dies. What Erik means by neck sizing is exactly that, only the neck. If you are even remotely touching the shoulder or bumping it back and not touching the body (FL sizing), then in my opinion, that is not neck sizing, that is neck sizing and bumping the shoulder back. A gray area indeed, but not neck sizing. I am going to make a large assumption here that your die does the neck and shoulder and does not touch the body based on your response.
With regards to the cactus classic in Ben Avery, I am aware of that game. Not my game as I am not interested in return to battery guns nor am I interested in a discipline where a large amount of the effort is on the reloading bench or in equipment.
Your dasher in F-Class? Well, not many are winning at all with the Dasher at 1K yards or even at mid-range. The last 600 yard F-Class Nationals was won with a 300 WSM and the LR Nationals was won with a 284 Shehane. The year before that, it was a 7 RSAUM wildcat at 1K and a 300 WSM at 600 yards. No dashers in the winners circle for a very long time. At last years Nationals in Raton, the previous single relay 1K yard score was smashed with a 200-22X. That is 22 shots for record, all in a 5 inch circle. F-Open guns can be just as accurate if you ask me. The Dasher is just too scary to bring to the match and wind comes in. In a calm condition day, maybe.
And shots in the zero's...I have a number of paper targets with my F-Open gun where I popped 5 shots into essentially one hole at 100 yards. But, I don't need my gun to hold that. I need my gun to hold 1/4-1/2 MOA for 20 shots in a row, for three relays throughout the day at 1K yards. All with preloaded ammo and no cleaning between relays.
No one claimed PRS shooters have more accuate guns, the F-Class guys I know of have never broken a handle off before or galled a lug (although I heard many stories of you needing a mallet to get a case out of the chamber...neck sized only case there maybe?
). No one claimed seating into the lands blows up guns. But, it will potentially stick a bullet if you need to unchamber a round in a relay or match, hence the reason most PRS and F-Class shooters jump bullets. Powder dumped into your chamber essentially ruins you for the day.
A FL die is not a crutch, it is just phyics and AR15 Barrels already explained why neck sizing only leads to problems after "x" amount of firings.
No, it is not. I already gave you an example that happened a few months ago where a guy stuck a case with a neck sized only case. We evetually got it out with some brute force. We chambered an unfired round and it took quite an effort to close the bolt on the loaded round. If you have to use that much force to chamber a round, then it will require more force to get it out.
My gunsmith is a SuperShoot competitive BR shooter. He shoots with Larry Costa at his home range in FL and I have had numerous discussions with him on their game. I too, was surprised that they FL size. They jam 0.040" into the lands and they use heavy 0.005-0.007" neck tension. So, I do get first hand knowledge of the benchrest game.
Some guys seat into the lands, but they make sure they use enough neck tension to mitigate any change of sticking the bullet when they unload a loaded round. We sometimes have to wait for conditions to shoot in and that could be in between a string. That sometimes means unloading a round so it doesn't cook in the chamber. It is just the game since it takes us minimum 3 minutes to get all the shots off and conditions can change dramatically in that time. In short range BR, you pick a condition and you rally off 5 shots as fast as you can and rarely stop.
I offered to modify his go gages from go gages to go- to infinity gages; problem, when finished the gage would no longer be period correct.
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