Dumb question about depriming

[divingin]

Use a flashlight and look into the bottom of the cases and verify that there is a single flash hole (two small hole is Berdan primed, and your equipment won't work on it.)

Remove the decapping pin and rod assembly from your sizing die. Lube up a couple of cases, and size them to get a feel for what the sizing process feels like (ideally, it should be a single smooth stroke; not grabby or jumpy, which would indicate insufficient lube.) It'll also remove some of the friction from the next step.

Reinstall the decapping rod, less the pin, and screw it well up inside the die. Size a case, and leave the handle down (case fully into the die.) Now screw the decapping rod down until it stops (hitting something solid.) Measure from the top of the decapping rod to the top of the die body. Lower the case, and do what you need to do to reinstall the decapping pin. Reset the decapping rod to the height you measured, and back it off about a full turn or two (the collar will be a bit lower due to the pin.) Lock it in place, and try sizing the case again. You should be decapping the case.

That should work, unless your decapping rod is bent or your case's flash holes are way off center. If it's set up correctly, the decapping pins should extend below the bottom of the die by 1/4 to 3/8 inch or so (actual length doesn't matter much.)

Good luck

[Lead Waster]

I don't want to sound insulting, but the die is a .223 die and the case is actually a .223 case, right? Did you try different cases?

You said you already removed the depriming pin, so it's not a hard to remove primer, but rather the case is hard to run up into the die.

What brand of die is it? Can you take it apart? Maybe something is stuck in there.

Without a case in the shell holder, can you run the ram all the way up so that the shellplate touches the die? (To see if the press is stuck and might have nothing to do with the case)

Posting pics is the best bet, a video would be even better.

I'm sure we can figure it out!

[Raven mach]

Check to make sure, the de-priming stem is not sticking to far out. it can bottom out on the inside of the case. Back it out a few turns and see if the case will go further into the die.

I already had said I even took it out. Case still binds

[Michael in California]

What brand/model die?

[nedro]

Well that's not what I have so..

Go get a Lee Di-primer. They are cheep.
You aren't mounting the press on anything solid which is also problematic.
When you resize at the same time that you are di-priming, a huge amount of pneumatic pressure builds up in the case before the primer gets pushed out. So much so that you could be bloating the cases, causing the sticktion.
Get the Lee Di-priming die. Makes life easier.

[nedro]

I already had said I even took it out. Case still binds

This.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1012768051/imperial-case-sizing-wax-2-oz

You can't always make crap work. Get rid of the one-shot.

[Raven mach]

A lot of these things I answered. Yes it's the case that's hard, not the de priming (thought it's a good idea/guess)

I'm assume it's cause my die has no lube. I have not lived the die as my book never mentioned it. As Mentioned above, I'll take the deprived out and lub up the die.

Yes of course my press moves without a case. It's all brand new hornady press and dies. And yes, it's the right die for the caliber... I'll try living the die and perhaps strengthening the area that the press is mounted to. (It's just compressed crap board right now)

[Raven mach]

This.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1012768051/imperial-case-sizing-wax-2-oz

You can't always make crap work. Get rid of the one-shot.

Yeah I'm going to look for a pad and roll them on it perhaps. I was just using what it came with but maybe it's not a good enough lube

[Raven mach]

Go get a Lee Di-primer. They are cheep.
You aren't mounting the press on anything solid which is also problematic.
When you resize at the same time that you are di-priming, a huge amount of pneumatic pressure builds up in the case before the primer gets pushed out. So much so that you could be bloating the cases, causing the sticktion.
Get the Lee Di-priming die. Makes life easier.

I'll look into it,I think you may be on to something about the pressure in the case,it does make sense to me. Good idea

[nedro]

A lot of these things I answered. Yes it's the case that's hard, not the de priming (thought it's a good idea/guess)

I'm assume it's cause my die has no lube. I have not lived the die as my book never mentioned it. As Mentioned above, I'll take the deprived out and lub up the die.

Yes of course my press moves without a case. It's all brand new hornady press and dies. And yes, it's the right die for the caliber... I'll try living the die and perhaps strengthening the area that the press is mounted to. (It's just compressed crap board right now)

Not all sizing dies are created equal or in the same dimensions.
Some brands are tighter than others.
What are you using?

[Lead Waster]

I'll look into it,I think you may be on to something about the pressure in the case,it does make sense to me. Good idea

Interesting, that's something I've never thought about. In theory, you can tap the primer out of the case if you are careful (using the depriming pin and a light hammer and tapping lightly if you are sure the pin is in the flash hole, or using a long nail or something)
Or you can sacrifice a case and drill a small hole in the side to see if it is air pressure or something.

For the record, I've found one shot works pretty good, though for me it's convenient to spray some one-shot into my case feeder hopper.

I DO notice quite a difference when I use RCBS lube on PISTOL cases when I'm reloading a batch in my progressive press, even with one shot (ie the thicker lube works better) but I wouldn't use the thicker lube on cases in the case feed hopper to avoid making a mess in the feeder tubes.


And as you pointed out, your bench is a bit flimsy, so maybe the bench deflection is absorbing a lot of your downstroke and making it seem harder?


Oh, one last test ... if you have a fresh round, with the decapping assembly removed, can you easily stick the unfired round (by hand) into the die all the way?


Good luck!

[OpenSightsOnly]

A lot of these things I answered. Yes it's the case that's hard, not the de priming (thought it's a good idea/guess)

I'm assume it's cause my die has no lube. I have not lived the die as my book never mentioned it. As Mentioned above, I'll take the deprived out and lub up the die.

Yes of course my press moves without a case. It's all brand new hornady press and dies. And yes, it's the right die for the caliber... I'll try living the die and perhaps strengthening the area that the press is mounted to. (It's just compressed crap board right now)

Did you clean the FL die with solvent before using it? IIRC, there is a lube/preservative in there that makes the FL sizing kind of sticky/binding.

Buy the Irwin quick grip clamps from Home Depot and use that to secure your press to the bench. Those clamps really came in handy when I was pulling those 30-06 HXP bullets.

[hntnnut]

After 20 plus years using rcbs case lube i switched to hornady dry lube spray in my search for somthing less messy. I immediately started having stuck case issues. After 2 cans I switched to Redding Imperial sizing wax and their graphite neck sizing lubricant. The stuck case issues went away And one tin will last forever. I Only use the graphite when cases start sticking when they're being removed from the die. I'll dip 2 or 3 cases in the graphite before I lube them and that's usually enough to stop the cases from sticking on the expander button.


Richard

[hntnnut]

Go get a Lee Di-primer. They are cheep.
You aren't mounting the press on anything solid which is also problematic.
When you resize at the same time that you are di-priming, a huge amount of pneumatic pressure builds up in the case before the primer gets pushed out. So much so that you could be bloating the cases, causing the sticktion.
Get the Lee Di-priming die. Makes life easier.

All of my RCBS dies have a small weep hole near the top of the dye to eliminate this pressure build-up you speak of . I don't know if the hornady dies have this feature or not.

Richard

[tonyjr]

superdave50
I had way to many problems with the frankford deprimer on 308
that I went back to the single stage and load master .
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Raven mach
You don't say what brass you are using . If from your 223
try putting an M T case back in rifle .
If range pick up brass , could be from a tight barrel or thicker brass .
That is why some ask about head stamp .
Probably a stupid question but this is a brass casing and not steel ?
FYI - after 200-300 reloads [ what ever I load ] the dies all come
apart and go into sonic . lube build up , steel from pins , corn ,
nut - whatever - can scratch cases . A new set of dies goes in the
nut media for a couple of hours , then sonic with WD-40
I am one of the ones that don't like one shot . On rifle / bottle necks ,
I use RCBS spray . On pistol cases it I use ground mica .
Please post what you find .