No reloads for SD/HD...

[mjmagee67]

Before the interrogation gets to this point you should have already said, "I will be happy to answer any questions you might have but I need to consult with my attorney before any questioning continues."

That would be the response to my lawyer............

California Peace Officer........

I know about why and how to lock someone in on a statement. While changing a statment isn't always good....sometimes getting more clarification can change the meaning of the first statment. Using the phrase "I don't recall" is really a none answer. People often recall information later that they didn't recall at the time of the interview. You know how many phone calls I've gotten from witnesses and victims 2, 3, 10 or even 20 days later?

[stilly]

I would strongly recommend not giving an answer such as "I don't recall using bullets in the gun."

Divercw has a much better response. The initially responding LEOs will have an urgent need to know some information (like the number or rounds fired and their direction, if anyone was hit, and if there are any outstanding suspects). These questions fall under the "public safety" exception to Miranda (please refer to New York v Quarles). There is no corresponding urgency to questions about reloads or the "why did you fire?" A polite request to confer with counsel before responding is reasonable.

On the other hand, once you make a statement, it's cast in stone, and it's cast in stone for all purposes. The words "I can't recall if I used bullets in the gun" could easily be used to show that you were quite ignorant about the condition of your weapon. Guess where that could go.

Are you absolutely certain that it is public safety and not just so they can rush the "facts" to the media who can turn it all into Assault Glock crap and BOLO for a possible MALE or FEMALE suspect?

Can't point the finger at any race, sex, family, Apollo Creed, religion, ethnicity, species, phylum, genus etc.

[sghart]

If it happens to you just STFU.

You will probably be in shock anyways. You will be rambling, trying to explain yourself to the cops. They will use that to hang you.

Repeat, STFU.

[RickD427]

Where and when did the shooting occur?

Who asked the question about the reloads?

OP,

There are two questions still pending for you.

Did you raise this issue for meaningful discussion, or was this just a troll thread?

[GW]

Why would reloads ever be an issue? Are you using exploding bullets? Incendiary rounds?

[Christopher761]

Why would reloads ever be an issue? Are you using exploding bullets? Incendiary rounds?

It helps the officers sort out the spent shell casings. If you are using new rounds, all from the same box, then all of the casings should have the manufacturer/headstamps.

It also may make a difference if they are trying to see how far from the target you were shooting from, based upon powder burns and stipling. With reloads, it is more difficult to make that determination, as the powder and powder charge may vary from round to round.

[alexisjohnson]

honestly...who cares.

If your life is in danger...its in danger. I strongly doubt something like having a reloaded case is going to make a difference.

I think its good to understand the inns and outs of the legal system but if you focus too much on it....you might hesitate when your life is very much in danger and end up dead.

[the86d]

Google "shootout pawn shop attempted robbery" one can easily look up on youtube, I assume.

The cops asked.

Looks like it might have been Victorville, but I didn't ask where.

[Jimmy's]

Lol.

[RickD427]

Google "shootout pawn shop attempted robbery" one can easily look up on youtube, I assume.

The cops asked.

Looks like it might have been Victorville, but I didn't ask where.

Thanks for responding. I did find two videos on Youtube concerning a pawnshop robbery in Victorville on June 8th.

There was no mention in either of them about the victim firing any reloads.

The corresponding articles describe an exchange of gunfire between the victim and the two suspects. The articles are not clear if one or both of the suspects fired. The victim and both suspects were struck by the gunfire.

When that occurs, one of the normal and expected forensic crime scene efforts is to determine who fired each round, and where each round traveled. That's essential to the fixing the criminal liability of each party.

When reloads are used, that task becomes a little more difficult because the cases, projectiles and propellant are not as easily identified.

I would expect a competent investigator would have asked the victim what ammunition was used, and if reloads were used, to determine the case, projectile, propellant combination.

In this case such a question would be appropriate for its forensic value and should not be interpreted as a reflection on the victim's liability for using reloads.

[Sigsour7]

I recently spoke with a guy who knows somebody who once read on the internet about a guy who claims to overheard a guy talking to his buddy about a conversation he had with a cop and the cop said that he'd heard a lawyer discussing the same topic. But the cop wasn't sure because it was at a bar and the lawyer was getting a divorce and said something about being reloaded after last night.

Turns out there was a citizen self defense shooting the cop had to dispatch to that very same evening and yeah, the guy was using reloads.

Coincidence? I think not.

Sounds just like calguns crowd. Well done!

[JagerDog]

My reloads have matching headstamps. My projectiles will match whatever remains in the gun. But I may have factory in there at any given time.

Until I a had an attorney, I think I'd just say I used what was in the gun. The forensics don't need to happen that minute.

[Red9]

If I use Speer cases, be86 or w231 and gold dots now what? I have duplicated hst and gold dot performance reloading. Would this matter?

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[GW]

It helps the officers sort out the spent shell casings. If you are using new rounds, all from the same box, then all of the casings should have the manufacturer/headstamps.

It also may make a difference if they are trying to see how far from the target you were shooting from, based upon powder burns and stipling. With reloads, it is more difficult to make that determination, as the powder and powder charge may vary from round to round.

I understand your point but none of that is my concern in a life or death situation. I'm using whatever ammo was handy when the incident started and I can tell the police I used reloads so they can sort that stuff out when they find CCI, Federal and Winchester brass laying around. What really matters are the bullets retrieved from the BG.