Poor Mans Reloading

[tonyjr]

From what O P said , he is more likely to loose more cases than he reloads . Chasing shell from a semi auto - does he stop and pick up after each shot , magazine or 2 .
Most shooters don't have someone else chasing their M T's .

[jessdigs]

I have that Frankford Arsenal one and it works pretty good.

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[wes.crockett]

From what O P said , he is more likely to loose more cases than he reloads . Chasing shell from a semi auto - does he stop and pick up after each shot , magazine or 2 .
Most shooters don't have someone else chasing their M T's .

Since it's an AR-10 in .308, I don't do quick fire very much... It hurts my wallet too much to unload a 10 round magazine in 30 seconds... that's a $8/mag!

[someoneeasy]

From what O P said , he is more likely to loose more cases than he reloads . Chasing shell from a semi auto - does he stop and pick up after each shot , magazine or 2 .
Most shooters don't have someone else chasing their M T's .

Time to invest into a brass catcher then.

[NapalmCheese]

A lot of people say you should measure your M T cases . While I don't bother until afterI decap tumble / sonic / vibrate - no one bothers to mention the temperature .
I do mine between 65 and 70 in garage .
Not turn on fan or heater because to hot or cold .
Measuring a case is only as good as you , your caliper and the temp you are checking at .
Measure a case , write down and then put in car and measure when you get back . Which measurement do you go by ?

What happens if I trim my brass at 60-70 degrees and then go shooting in the summer when it's 100 degrees?

[tonyjr]

someoneeasy
I just started reloading the 762 / 308 . They are in specs so far . I have noticed that the 308s are really hard to deprime with the frankford hand deprimer , so they are getting deprimed / sized / flared on press . Then vibrated
None of my pistol cases have needed trimming .
The carbine , 243 and 270 - all measure O K but maybe reloaded 2 or 3 times .

[someoneeasy]

What happens if I trim my brass at 60-70 degrees and then go shooting in the summer when it's 100 degrees?

I'm curious as well.

[tonyjr]

NapalmCheese most of time , your rifle also gets bigger . One of the reasons I put my ammo in a cooler when going to outdoor or indoor range .
Another is most people won't consider a cooler worth stealing while an ammo box or 2 is probably worth it .
But ye - can wreak you extractor and / or cause case bulge .

[tonyjr]

someoneeasy
I have a cadwell brass catcher - a waste of money for pistols , you have to relocate for different guns .

[someoneeasy]

NapalmCheese most of time , your rifle also gets bigger . One of the reasons I put my ammo in a cooler when going to outdoor or indoor range .
Another is most people won't consider a cooler worth stealing while an ammo box or 2 is probably worth it .
But ye - can wreak you extractor and / or cause case bulge .

If your brass and rifle get bigger due to temperature change, aren't you making it worst by not letting your brass get bigger too? If you're storing your ammo in a cooler to prevent it from "growing" but your rifle is exposed to heat, do you now have too big of a chamber?

[NorCalFocus]

What happens if I trim my brass at 60-70 degrees and then go shooting in the summer when it's 100 degrees?

Absolutly nothing.

When you anneal brass your heating the brass to 170* to change a structure of the brass. It makes it softer again so it can be sized easily. So why in the world would brass change under normal ambiant temps.

[jimmykan]

I think I see the point of confusion:

A lot of people say you should measure your M T cases . While I don't bother until afterI decap tumble / sonic / vibrate - no one bothers to mention the temperature .
I do mine between 65 and 70 in garage .
Not turn on fan or heater because to hot or cold .
Measuring a case is only as good as you , your caliper and the temp you are checking at .
Measure a case , write down and then put in car and measure when you get back . Which measurement do you go by ?

tonyjr is talking about the variation in measured case length due to the thermal expansion of hot brass vs cold brass.

The coefficient of thermal linear expansion of brass is 10.6e-6 in/in/*F. In other words 0.0000106 inch/inch/degree-F.

Since a nominal 308 case is 2.005 in, then it should change in length 0.002 inches every 100 degree change in temperature.

So unless you are measuring the brass just seconds after firing it, the difference in measured length between cold ambient temperature brass and hot ambient temperature brass is negligible.

Absolutly nothing.

When you anneal brass your heating the brass to 170* to change a structure of the brass. It makes it softer again so it can be sized easily. So why in the world would brass change under normal ambiant temps.

Annealing happens in the 700*F range. Usually heated by propane flame or electric induction coil. At this temperature, the grain structure of the brass is "reset" to a softer more form-able state with less spring back when you size it.

What happens if I trim my brass at 60-70 degrees and then go shooting in the summer when it's 100 degrees?

Yeah, nothing happens.

[W.R.Buchanan]

OK: I have seen hundreds of threads just like this one where the guy wants to start out with Lee Loader and by the time the thread is a few days old he is convinced that he can't reload with anything less that a garage full of equipment. Cornfusion and frustration sets in and nothing happens.

I have been doing this for nearly 50 years . I started with a Lee Loader which I still have.

That is what you need to start with.

If you decide that you don't want to reload ammo you can sell the Lee Loader on Ebay for what you paid for it.

If you decide you do want to Reload then at least you have some idea of what you are trying to accomplish and can buy the things you need to go further.

All of this ancillary stuff people have been talking about won't affect you at the start, and Lee makes simple solutions for virtually everything any way.

You need the Lee Classic Loader. A Plastic Hammer of about 8oz from HF, powder primers and bullets.

This will get you started and teach you the "Basics of Reloading" Brass Ammunition.

All you have to do is follow the very simple instructions.

After you read the instructions you will be able to figure which powder and bullets you want to use, and go from there.

Don't get all bogged down in "Future Regret" what you asked about in the beginning will get you started. Once you are started then you can think about your future in this hobby.

Incidentally, I build the Finest Portable Reloading Press made , and I am not recommending it to you to start reloading with,,, cuz it costs twice what you have to spend and is unnecessary to learn on.

Randy

[Milsurp Collector]

By the way, this is my favorite case lube https://www.amazon.com/Redding-Reloa...0726729&sr=8-2

[SixPointEight]

What happens if I trim my brass at 60-70 degrees and then go shooting in the summer when it's 100 degrees?

Absolutely nothing happens.

NapalmCheese most of time , your rifle also gets bigger . One of the reasons I put my ammo in a cooler when going to outdoor or indoor range .
Another is most people won't consider a cooler worth stealing while an ammo box or 2 is probably worth it .
But ye - can wreak you extractor and / or cause case bulge .

Overthinking it. Ammo in the cooler to disguise, maybe has some value. All this "rifle getting bigger" stuff is not an issue. Blowing extractors and over pressure in the round is caused by temperature sensitive powders, and has 0 to do with what time and temperature it was when you trimmed your brass.

If your brass and rifle get bigger due to temperature change, aren't you making it worst by not letting your brass get bigger too? If you're storing your ammo in a cooler to prevent it from "growing" but your rifle is exposed to heat, do you now have too big of a chamber?

STAHP. You guys are overthinking this way too much. Even if what you were saying were true, brass and steel have different coefficients of thermal expansion. Heating the brass to 100 degrees and heating a barrel to 100 degrees will have different effects. Not only that, but the temperature deltas being discussed are small, and there's enough clearance such that all of this is a non-issue. Even in a match rifle with very tight tolerances, the brass has enough spring in it that you'll be able to close the bolt when your brass grows 0.0003" due to heating effects. If if doesn't you were probably going to have issues anyways.